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I have read this debate with interest and have learned some history from across the pond. I haven’t entered the debate as I felt I did not know enough about what the flag meant.

But actually I do, it represents deep hurt and bad feeling to some and to others it’s just a flag. I know this hurt, it may be different but I know it.

It’s a flag that has shown diabolical treatment to our fellow man and to others it represents the place they come from.
This flag is a symbol, other such symbols exist and will have just as much meaning and strong feeling.

The important thing here, is we look at our history, our sacrifices and the wrongs we have done in the past and learn by it.
You will feel in your soul that your view is right but so will the opposing side.

The thing is to dispel that hate.

We have to accept, that what we are enjoying now was because of those battles and sacrifices. We have the freedom to express our views, to debate our beliefs but ultimately to accept we are all individual and we will never all agree except of course to agree to disagree.

That is our strength, that is where we rise above the wrongs and that is where we claim back our freedoms and find the strength to forgive or move on but not forget.

The flag is important. When you see it flown, don’t be offended. See it as your history is not forgotten, see it as a talking point to tell it, see it, that although you do not like it, it is a freedom that your ancestors have fought or endured and died for.

I remember a young Muslim lad burnt the Union Jack in my country in protest and anger over something he felt strongly over. It was shown on TV all over.  It was meant to insult and invoke strong feeling.

But when you think about it, after the initial anger, he had the freedom to do so in my and his country. My country gave him that privilege and that freedom.  And I learnt that day, not to be angry that he burnt and stamped on the flag I loved, be thankful that he exercised his right to do so in a free country. As much as he could burn his Union Jack, I could fly mine.

My country has been involved in many bad things in our history but many good too.

England and Ireland were at war for many in Ireland wanted to end the British Rule in Northern Ireland. As a consequence mainland Britain was bombed.  Britain called it terrorism. Many were maimed and killed on both sides. Both believed they were right.

The believers in Ireland called them Soldiers fighting for their freedom.  Neither side would budge and so reigned years of terror and hatred and death and destruction. Generation after generation were taught the hate.

No one is right, no one is wrong. For every example you can give for your cause, the opposing side can give a counter example…
The deep feelings go on and on and on and on…

The question therefore was not who was right and who would win. As always in these matters, the question is what price are you willing to pay for peace and not getting into pointless battles that have no end. Remember the examples you have, make them known, listen to the other sides too and educate the future generations.

So it can never happen again.

Britain & Ireland took this stance and following many long discussions and arguments, the Good Friday agreement in December 1998 and St Andrews Agreement in 2006 was reached and although a bumpy ride,  the bombings and killings eventually stopped.
And note the dates, not all that long ago.

Enemies became associates to ensure there was fairness to all sides. Heated debates occurred but in the process, the hatred stopped. Respect even earned but their views always opposed, in most things.

Part of that agreement was Britain let the terrorists free from prison, a sickening sight for some, for they saw murderers released.
Ireland saw their soldiers released and returned home to their families who loved and missed them.

What we have now, is our children enjoying the peace at last but learning our history, forming their own opinions but most of all learning peace is important and playing and laughing together as children should.

History is important but so is Peace. Learn by it, don’t let the anger fester.

Therefore I muse rhetorical questions, What price would YOU pay for peace and to irradiate the inbred hatred and what are YOU prepared to do to help this process?
Are YOU a person who is prepared to do nothing and just bicker and bicker and bicker. If you are, then stand aside, butt out, don’t make the situation worst and let the PEACE MAKERS make the world a happier place to live.

One thing I know for certain, Racism is wrong, be it black, white, British, Irish, whatever. That we all agree on in this debate.

I think each one can have and want her own flag... from my point of view... those are the only flags i am interesting...




End of discussions!!! everyone goes to achat bar and grill... i pay for the beers and mojitos!!!

Ok, i think a change of subject is needed, so........i got a very interessing thing to put under the light:

What did you expect by this forum!?

http://www.care2.com/causes/yes-the-confederate-flag-is-racist-and-heres-why.html
Here is WHY the rebel flag or the real name confederate flag is a racist symbol to black people and I am black, native american, and white so I have always been raised to know no color! BUT my own family comes from Georgia where that flag is their state flag and even those who live there do not wave it nor celebrate it for they know the TRUE meaning of it and it has NOTHING to do with being Native American- for we are descendants of the Cherokees, Blackfoot, and Choctaw nation and never ever has this been apart of the culture.
This flag is a symbol of many horrid, unnecessary murders, rapes, discrimination, humiliation and much more. This flag will never be a symbol of anything positive for it is waved by those who have in past and present support the past and present behaviors of this flag. I would be no different if a person of German decent had a swastika present as their profile pic. it would offend those who were affected directly or indirectly by those who made it a symbol of hate discrimination, pain, suffering, and other horrid sorted details. I would hope that would not be allowed any more than I think this flag should be allowed. And I will reiterate, I assure you I am NOT the only one who is not pleased with this flag being paraded around like a badge of honor especially when there are idiotic messages that follow it like "putting stars n bars flag in her yard" regardless who it is meant for, is an attempt to antagonize those who know the truth about it and knows you can call it any dressed up name you chose to call it...walks like a duck, quacks like a duck guess what ALL OVER THE WORLD its a duck!  I just felt that since it was expressed about the "good" meaning of it; I felt it my right to bring forth some education to why this is a problem and not just someone being randomly picked on for a " regular flag" not the case at all. If it was just something I did not like without merit I would have to get over it and not worry past the point its unappealing to JUST me. So I chose to take the time and say this ISNT the case at all for it goes way beyond unappealing or something that just isn't me or what I am into as well as others who might be afraid to speak out about it; for knowing the backlash it could cause them for speaking out. I do not fret such activities for I have no issues with doing what is necessary to handle them in a proper and decent form. Thank you for allowing me to explain the REAL and true reason why this flag is "catching" so much attention.
Sincerely Yours,
 LeighDeeXXX!

Please reframe from speaking to me or about my sister, if you have something to say about her the grown up thing to do is go to her like an adult and not as a child. Further more I have the right to say what is on my mind, I DO NOT need or desire your permission to do such! SO thank you but I would appreciate no further contact from you as well as my sister! Good day.
LeighDeeXXX

Lady's please take your Personal Dispute Privet .

I would prefer to be left alone by her and not spoken to or about, I made no mention of her personally in either post that I have made here. I too have the "right" to express mine and many others point of view. And if it was a closed subject I do not understand why its still available and capable being replied to. I just thought if it was a "harmless" post about reasoning and not intended to offend...I too thought it would be just as informative to show the "other side" of the subject as I have mentioned. So I am not here to play tug a war or get into any form of showdown, just trying to utilize my privileges just like everyone else has the ability to do. I am also a beginner here on the forum and I have only posted two things now and replied to a few. So as far as I am concerned my sister (who never comes here ) and I do not wish any further contact as I keep saying with her or her friends! THANK YOU!
LeighDeeXXX

Welcome to the forum
 leighdee

You have every right to express your opine  on how you feel about it .
The topic was  changed by a mod  HB  ..

I think it was wrong  of shewolf to post what she did  but  this is   going on to long and its  getting personal 

I would  suggest you take it privet  to work it out or  with a mod and  I am meaning  for you both

Please  don't take this personnel  I also agree a  change of subject was need ..