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Please share your opinions. Everyone is welcome to add his thoughts. Please accept different opinions, ask if something is not unique and explain your reasons too. For the beginning, I don't differ between AChat and real life but of course you may and should do.
As I lead this discussion I won't add my own thoughts. So if I post something, it's just to ask, to pool or to lead the discussion back to topic.
The first statement:
Sex without love is no problem
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This is comparing Lust and Love. Separate it can be fabulous and naughty, the learning experience of honing your sexual techniques and sexual flirts and maybe diverting into kinks that excite & stimulate you.
Everyone should try the lust part to ensure when they meet their special person, they are ready to make a commitment and know from experience & knowledge gained, that they are not missing out after all, and Lust with Love and the emotional boost that gives to enhance the relationship is afterall the best feeling in the world and Cloud 9 does in fact exist.
In the meantime, enjoy the LUST ... you never know when LOVE will whammy you straight between the eyes .
Of course, then you get into Men are STUDS and Woman are SLUTS social acceptance of the situation, ... Men like a lady in public & a naughty little whore in the bedroom ... and for that... experience and education in sexual matters is the key ...
Oh... to be a whore, or not to be a whore is always the question a girl has to ask herself in her life decisions ...
Thank God , we have Achat & the anonymity to balance our naughty side hehehe
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Females have such a advantage here, it's way easier for them to have a one night stand after a party if they like to. It can be such a bother having to tell people about me being a tgirl sometimes... if I had been born female I might have gone for more one night stands than I do now.
Still, I do like having sex just for the sake of it. :P
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The new statement, free to discuss:
Are you a hero when you rescue people but these people would not have been in danger if you had be careful before?
(For example, you took drugs or alcohol before, didn't check the situation or haven't done your job correct....)
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NO. if you created the problem it is your responsability to fix it.
thats like me pushing you into the pool but at the last moment, grabbing you by the hair and pulling you back and then saying, "saved your life"
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You know, I read this topic discussion and immediately thought of the below alleged disease....
Munchausen by proxy syndrome (MBPS) is a relatively rare form of child abuse that involves the exaggeration or fabrication of illnesses or symptoms by a primary caretaker.
In MBPS, an individual — usually a parent or caregiver— causes or fabricates symptoms in a child. The adult deliberately misleads others (particularly medical professionals), and may go as far as to actually cause symptoms in the child through poisoning, medication, or even suffocation. In most cases (85%), the mother is responsible for causing the illness or symptoms.
Heres my thoughts on the topic....
So if you are drunk, drugged up or attention seeking and cause something serious to happen , then it is only right you do everything in your power to put it right..
If its accidental, or incidental ... then you are to blame & should be punished appropriately.
If it is on purpose , then that is premeditated and aggravates the offence and criminality and you should be locked up.
Hero ... no ...
Only if you did save someone from serious risk or harm , was not the cause of it and were noble in your actions, and being drunk or drugged up was in fact , one of those things at the time... Then you can be hailed a hero and get your medal.
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To go hunting is murder! No, to go hunting is sport
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I myself do not hunt but know people who do, and in the states the eradication of natural predators have made it a necessity to control the very very large deer population. The alternative is mass starvation of the herds every winter.
And in rural areas, families on limited budgets count on a deer to help feed there family over the winter. So I don’t look at it as sport or murder just a way of life. On the plus side all hunters must purchase a license and that money for the most part is used to persevere this countries magnificent forests and wildlife.
On the other hand I DETEST “trophy” hunting. Hunter who shoot animals just for the thrill and to have there picture taken with animal and maybe have the head mounted for their den.
As in every other aspect of life you have good and bad hunters.
To sum up…………responsible hunting ok Trophy hunting obscene
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On the other hand I DETEST “trophy” hunting. Hunter who shoot animals just for the thrill and to have there picture taken with animal and maybe have the head mounted for their den.
As in every other aspect of life you have good and bad hunters.
To sum up…………responsible hunting ok Trophy hunting obscene
I live in rural Ohio and I have never met a trophy hunter. Everyone I know eats what they kill. I actually think it is better to be connected to your food source like that. You kill it, you clean it, you eat it, a package in the supermarket you have no idea where it came from. You also have no respect for it.
So I agree with Jayc.
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Bad timing for this topic ... We are just about to have a badger cull in the UK .... a protected species ..... why ... cus someone decided they spread bovine TB in cattle ... and there's another argument cus even the experts cant agree that they do ... then there's the vaccine that could help the situation but EU laws stop us ....
So I say, shoot the bloody hunters ... and the EU bureacrats ...
Kill to eat sure, culling ... to eat sure.... culling cus of EU laws and fishing rules ... shoot them & the trophy hunters .... disgraceful...
And think of our countryside a few backs .... pyres of burning cattle everywhere when the foot and mouth disease took hold.. not harmful to humans and there's a vaccine too .... to keep Europe officials happy.... wheres my gun .. mmm could someone teach me to shoot ;D
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Please could someone explain to me why on earth the Japanese need to hunt & kill Whales for scientific research ?
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that's just an excuse....they hunt whales for the meat: in Japan, it's a really appreciated food!
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It's not just Japan, alos Island, Norway, South Korea...
Greenpeace was successfull with a campaign against Japan. I have read an article in a magazine about their fight and I just can give my compliments to them - they risk their own life to save whales.
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Mmmmm.....yes, Greenpeace fight for a noble reason, this is true....but honestly, i think they methods are a bit extreme, sometimes!
I know it's the only way they have to block the japanese ship, but there must be a better and pacific solution!
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A possible war in Syria is...
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a war is not good but on the other hand we cant stand by and watch chemical weapons being used............sarin is nasty and vile, it would help if we got the entire world to stand up to the Assad regime. but that will never happen. no easy answers and im glad i dont have to make these decisions :-\
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To use chemical weapons ON YOUR OWN PEOPLE, well that's just monstrous.
I don't understand why every nation isn't up in arms about this.
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cause when there is a form of power where there is no public election, they think everything is ok to gain controll!
did you hear about north Korea recently!?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10272953/Kim-Jong-uns-ex-lover-executed-by-firing-squad.html
they publicy kill a group of singers cause they appear in a sex tape aaaand, seems like one was the ex girlfriend of the leader ! SCRAP! WE ARE IN 2013, GOD!
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There are different sides... one is the unhuman and awful attack of people, own people in this case. Then we also have the civil war for some time.
There is russia and china, stopping each try to force Assad to stop it. United Nations arent talking with one voice.
Now back to my question: Is a war right or wrong, is it justified or is it aggravating the whole situation?
@jayc: Im also glad i dont have to decide...
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A war is never justified, Lover......right or wrong, people always die, it never change! Thinking a war is right, just relieve the hearts of soldiers, but it never delete the innocent deaths, the one who usually soffer the most time during a war
Maybe it's a trite thing, but the damn true behind any wars, i think!
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Each answer to your question Lover has many solid arguments to support it:
It is right because something needs to be done and protect the innocent popluation from further massacres
It is wrong because many innocent would be killed in 'collateral damage'
It is justified because someone needs to stop the mass killing
It is not because none has the right to claim that what he thinks is the best
In all cases, war is sometimes the ultimate solution. We can only hope it is a short one, with the least damage possible.
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Thanks for all answers so far.
Jondas, i think you hit the nail!
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It is right because something needs to be done and protect the innocent popluation from further massacres
It is wrong because many innocent would be killed in 'collateral damage'
It is justified because someone needs to stop the mass killing
It is not because none has the right to claim that what he thinks is the best
indeed, Jondas.....you are absolutely right.....the point of view form outside or inside the whole thing make its meaning change: there is no an absolute true or lye!
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HGO had this idea:
How about a discussion on H7N9 virus?Does anyone believe it was created as part of the new world order?Does anyone think it's a result of the over use of antibiotics?Could be an interesting chat
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mmmmm, farmaucetic thing are a sensible subject to talk about.......i prefear to live it out of this place
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Infos about H7N9:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H7N9
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Should Hillary Clinton run for President and Would she make a good President for the USA.
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Personally, I think you should move on from the past.
When Clinton left the Whitehouse, there were things heard here in the UK that questioned his integrity. I know people should not be tainted by association but it is your Country that she would be running with him in the background.
So, my answer would be no and I don't think she would.
But I am UK and not living under her rule.
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Just for the idea of a woman ruling after a coloured man, it would be a sign of nice progress.
But as BB says, she is just another part of the big corrupts machinery, so she would probably not do better than the ones before.
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A woman after a coloured man, thats it!
I also am sure, she was the driving factor behind Bill. She would be good, just needs a male trainee ;)
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A male trainee? What you mean a sub? lolz
I would say lets keep sex out of politics, but hell, ain't never gonna happen..
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I my self was not a fan of Hillary Clinton but with her achievements
she has won my respect .I admire her now for all her accomplishments
I think that any one that can improve the life of children and I see her work she has
done to bring many programs is ok with me .
She as also endearing the sex scandal Bill - Lewinsky and critics that is not her fault that snake
crawled under Bills table just so she can get noticed as we see it was all planed
( Lewinsky confided in a coworker named Linda Tripp about her relationship with Clinton. Tripp convinced Lewinsky to save the gifts that Clinton had given her, and not to dry clean what would later be known as the "infamous blue dress ) ( Always the gifts hahah :D )
Hillary endeared all this and still with him shows me she has Strength I think she is capable of being our
President its not going to be easy with all we have and I don't blame them for all the all this is many years of building up
and is a big challenge for any one to take on we know this .
We the people are to blame for it to I think its so easy for many to just criticize
vote and think that all NO its not! we need to get more involved to make a change .
(http://www.wwhf.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/GetInvolved.jpg)
( For there personnel sex life's I don't care as long if they get the job done or try, that's
what matters to me )
who know maybe a male / female intern will crawl under Hillary table to :o
And Bill it will be interesting to have him as First Lady of the house :D or
Hillary Clinton
A single Lady President would be a dream come true
Hillary your in with me go Girl! show them what women can do ;D
(http://hillary.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/hillarybanner2016.jpg)
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I am ready for the next discussion when you are ready :)
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She has the popularity, money, political acumen and power to run. It would stun most if she didn't run. At this point it is a for gone conclusion she will run for the 2016 Presidential election.
Currently Hillary Clinton is sitting pretty in every poll, trouncing all Democratic rivals as well potential Republican candidates for the 2016 elections. Of course, who is to say the 2016 elections won't produce another wild card candidate like Barack Obama to derail her bid for presidency.
Can't really answer if she'll be an effective president. That's something only time will tell. From what most have seen, she seems to possess the political know how to push forward whatever agenda's she has planned -if she wins- not to mention the Clinton's are known to surround themselves with cut throat veteran political wonks who know which levers to pull in order to succeed.
Only sour spot is her campaign team. Last time they were in the limelight they lost against a not well known black guy with a funny sounding name. Granted, Obama's team did revolutionize campaigning with the usage of social media to a level never before seen, but still...it seemed like the Democratic nomination was gift wrapped for her.
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Why is the world mostly always about I me....
Why cant it be they us them.
I feel this is the most way of thinking in Society as time go's on know a day.With generations to me I feel
It has turned more in to I .
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Depending on which part of the world you come from, it may seem that way. For most western nations, especially within the United States, individuality and the focus of the individual has always been a staple of Western culture. Thought to be the main motivators of innovation, creativity and economic growth, most who belong to western nations see individuality as a virtue rather then a vice. In fact the modern era, or Modern Period is defined by being 'man-centered' in contrast to the previous Middle Ages which was God centered (talking specifically of Western Culture).
Of course, with recent technological breakthroughs has come a greater focus on the "I", taking individuality to a level never before experienced by humanity. To those not familiar with western culture, the recent arrival of twitter, twitch, facebook, etc may seem like an over excessive narcissistic indulgence. Still, even those within western culture who are accustomed to individuality see the expansion of social media as alarming and are still grappling with the impact it is currently having on both western culture, along with everywhere else in the world.
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The I .
I was referring is to the world all not just the western nations
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http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/25744512/pit-bull-shot-in-face-hammond-cop-claims-self-defense
My dog was shot in the face today by an officer from the Hammond Indiana police department. Lilly was on the side of our house with my two boys ages 7, and 11 years old, my daughter 16 yrs old and my baby boy 11 months were standing 15 feet behind her. We have a sign and flags in our front yard warning everyone that Lilly is on the premises and is confined by an electric fence, there are also flags marking up to what point she can reach (middle of our front yard). The police officer decided to jump out of his vehicle, take out his gun and shoot my dog in the face in front of all my kids and neighbors. He never said a word before he shot her! Our family needs justice, hammond police like to beat up there K9 police dogs and now it seems they like to shoot the residents pets in front of children! What would of happened if he would of missed and hit my kids instead? Something has to be done... Someone please help us get this out, he completely didn't care for my kids safety or well being.
Some people are stupid :
how can you let a Petbull run around with a open gate when you see a petbull open gate you are not going to see a electrical fence sign.
You are going to see a dog with a reputation as dangerous running at you I see why the officer did what he did .But as what I think he did
stupid was shot the gun with kid's around .... he could used the pepper spray and Taser gun as they said ....
and for sure the police had no fault paying thousands dollars insurance claims...
There should be a gated fence at all time when people feel danger they will not see sings ...........
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There are very strict restrictions in the UK on Pitbulls and Pitbull type breeds. If you have one they have to be neutered, tattooed and muzzled in public and insured. You can not sell them, you cannot give it away. If there is a dispute on the breed, the owner has to pay for a DNA test to prove its not a pitbull or cross breed. If you dont, the assumption is it is.
If any of these resrtictions are not followed they will be taken and put down.
Any pitbull type breeds abandoned or in dog pounds are put down as they cannot re-home them.
There are other fighting type breeds that are restricted too.
Too many children have been hurt, too many stupid owners have lost control of them. All say the same thing, they have never shown any signs of aggression before this attack. There is zero tolerance on these type of dogs in the UK now and they are regarded as a weapon.
Maybe the officer's actions did seem harsh, but he's a trained shot. His shot did not go astray. He shot a weapon, not a dog. And why was such a dog loose around children. It only takes a trigger for that dog to seriously maim or kill a child. One of those triggers is food.
They are not pets, they are dangeous animals.
Pepper spray doesn't work on dogs.
Tazers probably do, but not sure of the length of time it would take to drop it in an agitated state.
If such a dog was coming at you and looked as though it was going to attack, you only have a few seconds to react, I think I'd shoot it too and I don't kill anything. I even catch spiders in glasses and put them outside.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_nwtTd-bYS_A/TURMqLZUVuI/AAAAAAAAAjY/y3357FZFaiQ/s1600/PITBULL-TERRIER.jpg)
(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2026102.ece/alternates/s615/Jordan-Routledges-cheek.jpg)
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15 Shocking Numbers That Will Make You Pay Attention To What ISIS Is Doing In Iraq
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/11/isis-iraq-numbers_n_5659239.html
The above article saddens and angers me at the same time.
I am saddened by all the death and carnage, and Angry at the Iraqi government lame attempt at ruling all Muslim sects with an even hand.
I guess my question is......does the free world intervene one more time and face this menace and stop it now?
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If by free world, you mean the U.S with military aid (and U.K with humanitarian aid), then yes we will, albeit intervention will be 'limited' in scope this time around. So far the U.S has sent military advisers to support the Iraqi government in pushing back ISIS, along with air strikes on ISIS strongholds.
So far, no one is quite certain if the actions taken by the U.S will be as far as they will go with aiding Iraq. Considering a majority of Americans still and will likely oppose any sort of increased U.S military presence in Iraq, it seems certain that this will be the extent of U.S involvement in Iraq, even though there is support from the more hawkish side of the political spectrum within the U.S to be more involved.
Unless by some miracle President Obama (or the next President) is able to convince Americans to reinvest troops back into Iraq, it seems likely the chaos that has gripped Iraq, will continue and perhaps worsen. I say perhaps, because the air strikes are at least proving vital for the Iraqi Sunni controlled government. Another deterrence is the fractured state of Iraq. It is difficult to aid a nation (and to sale the idea of investing more in Iraq to Americans) that has become divided into different sects, all with their own political goals.
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I think it is our duty to help the vulnerable. I don't care about politics in other countries but I do care when I hear of vulnerable people being wiped out in genicide, people being beheaded or stoned for their religious belief and aid workers being killed for helping the sick, bewildered and homeless.
Unfortunately apathy and saying its not our concern, allows the dictators to become stronger. They with hold basic living expectations like water and electricity so normal peace loving people are blackmailed to join their cause to rule the country. Then before you know it, these dangerous people have the means, money and armoury to wreak havoc outside their borders and attack other countries.
I take solace, that the ordinary people can change things but need the means and the spirit to do so.
In our recent riots when the youths attacked and looted in the streets, the police tried to being order, but the broom brigade rose in disgust out of the ashes. Normal people had enough, It was wrong. They took to the streets and began to clean up with their brooms and marigolds and shamed the offenders into looking at their actions and stopped them dead in their tracks.
That's the spirit, that needs to be bought alive in each of these countries so they can decide their future, they can have a country to be proud of and they can vote freely to decide how its run.
We have to help these people or we have leant nothing of our past. Its our duty to do so or World War 3 will break out and God / Allah, whoever you worship, forbids that ever happens.
Time to hand the brooms out and take away the armoury of the bullies and terrorists.
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I guess my question is......does the free world intervene one more time and face this menace and stop it now?
We need a strong and powerful union against the ISIS. It's unbelieveable that 10 - 15,000 soliders can threaten and attack countries. Though we can learn a lot about what made it possible:
It's not enough to kill a dictator and hope everything is good now. You have to start and join a long-lasting process with a lot of support, teaching and financial help.
You may not use your own idea of freedom, equality and social culture, way of living and attitude. You have to understand their culture, beliefs and wishes.
You may not decide what's best for them. It has to agree with their background.
You cannot give peace by installing a government. Peace is a process and you need representatives of every group.
Today troubles in one country can become a a major fire. Everything is connected and is influencing. So my answer is yes, we have to intervene. But not just one, two or three nations. We have to bring all together to build a strong community.
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Standing Ovation for Lover - Bravo Bravo
I vote he be in charge of putting the crisis to rights. Operartion Peace for all.
And ALL nations should join the cause with one purpose - PEACE and justice to all.
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On what the ISIS Is Doing In Iraq:
there are thing we dont understand in this world this time as to why things happen why there is so much Evil.
To some of use we understand why this is Happening .This has been going on from a long time in many different times generations
It is a Spiritual war Battle evil over good , many of you will not understand it ,Believe in it,and or even Laugh About It.
it is so real I
I was watching this movie and this enlighten me to understand more and to some you will understand what has happen in the past is still
going on .We as Christian will always be hated chased by evil ( but with our faith we can stand up to the evil for we have the power over it we are free )we are believers of the one and only true living GOD we are not afraid to die
for us believing IN our GOD we now this is a place we are passing by our true life is at his side that is where real eternal life no pain real love
peace freedom hope ..watch it you might understand it..
The Revelation of Jesus Christ,
The Book of Revelations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2HerKSjmNQ
for the ISIS justice will come to them no evil is left unseen
What I do feel is that many dont know to much of what is going on I never know this till I heard it here
Prayers and faith I know this will be one I spread more awareness on
I know that GOD has a plan for this and it will be over come for no evil can over win what is good
And good will always come shine in all darkness ....
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All Americans Will Receive A Microchip Implant In 2017 Per Obamacare
NBC has recently predicted that in 2017, all of America will be tagged with microchips.
They will be implanted to help identify individuals immediately. According to the report,
the technology is used to answer one question, “Am I who I say I am?”
Some worry, however, that the RFID Microchip will give the government too much power, allowing them to track every move. In some states, like Virginia, legislation is in process to stop this from happening. The report also reveals an RFID Brain Chip that has been developed and is currently being tested on several humans. Proof the RFID Microchip is in Obamacare below
With the RFID Microchip they can track the movement of the people that are implanted. They can also control the money and food of the people. It is also reported to be possible to even kill the people that don’t obey. The HR 3962 Bill is an exact copy of the HR 3200 bill in with the exception of just a few words removed concerning the RFID Microchip but the ability to Chip Every Citizen of the United States is still in the bill. Open Bill and Read Pages 1501 through 1510 Read Class II Special Controls Guidance For FDA Staff Read And Do The Research For Yourself……LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK!.........
To make it more clear and simple.
I am talking about the
H.R.3962 bill Microchip Implant...
The bible is my own opine I hope this is more easy for all to understand this.
( All this is prophesied in the Bible REVELATION also )
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No way will they implanted that in me >:( >:( >:(
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Roxxy it is just another silly conspiracy theory like we never went to the moon.
Read what you said....NBC has recently predicted............ next thing Fox news will be true too. lolz!
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/all-americans-microchipped-2017.shtml
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H.R.3962
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7mjUVf0Ypo#t=156
its time to read the fine print on this Bill...
http://housedocs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf
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I see nothing about chipping US citizens
A similar fake news story launched in 2013 falsely claimed that all European babies would be microchipped from May 2014. That deadline is almost upon us, but, of course, there is not one credible report that provides details about this impending implementation.
Earlier US based versions of the story claimed that the mandatory microchipping of US citizens was enshrined in the wording of the ObamaCare bill and the earlier H.R. 3200 bill. However, as well described by hoax debunking website ThatsNonsense, neither bill made any mention whatsoever of plans to implement microchip tracking devices.
An even wackier variant of the story suggested that the chips represented the Biblical 'Mark of the Beast'.
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I'd be all for this idea if the chips would have the capacity to give little shocks. heheh
I'm not talking big, jolting electrical shocks, but something more akin to a joy buzzer.
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w31/Covems/AChat/Other%20things/JoyBuzzer_zps58892b38.jpg)
bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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When it comes to my government, I wouldn't put anything past them.
They locked up an entire segment of Americans just for being of a certain Asian descent.
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If you follow the logic of implanted identification there can be a strong case made for it.
With positive identification on a person emergency personnel could immediately access all the medical information being stored electronically now about every one of us in America.
It is for our own good.
Just like vaccinations.
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Chipping new born babies to get medical infos and tp provide bad diseases could be a good way. But the question is, what would be next? There had to be an independent ethic comission to make sure, these infos aren't used for misuse.
Honey, such conspiracy theories come up whenever there are no important news - summer slump lol. Don't think about it, read and laugh and forget.
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I dont know know about a conspiracy theories
but this has been talked about a long time now .I would rather find out more then wait for it to happen
you may all laugh about it but it is prophesied in the bible this has been coming for a long time lol
ok laugh about it but do you know whats in the chip do you know its also a way to control every one .
We will lose all privacy of self it will not be I it will be US its kind of like being Married and your partner knowing your every move :o
know you get it ;D
What happened to fingerprint identification I know this is being used now its as good as the chip ..
With the chip we will lose all privacy of self .. Theorie or not
I agree with what Andrea says.
As you know they are all looking for the one world order.....
We can all close our eyes and let it go think life is all peaches and creams & Achat ;D
then you wake up and look we have
many lost there house there job unemployment ect ect....
and you may say well I am doing ok ..yes for some its ok but then you forget the others ... it all come
back to every one .......
I am just thinking of the children and there children what will it be for them......thats all I have to say I know where I am going
and no chip will go in me .......even if it is a theory ... it is coming
I trust in my GOD
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I thought this was a sexual fantasy site, If we're gonna start preaching religions on Achat, I'm outa here!
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Everyone has their own ways to cope with life, whether they find comfort in their beliefs, God, Allah, other religions, themselves, friends or family.
Its the first I have heard of micro chipping in the UK, although its being bought in compulsory for dogs I think.
What's more worrying here, are towns and cities are thinking of bringing in free internet service. Great I hear you rejoice - but there's always a catch.
The service provider is collecting info about you through your phones and other devices, they will know where you are, what you browse for, what shops you go in, follow every move, even if you don't use the service.. it is talking to your phone, on your person.
Big brother is certainly watching us, the questions I want answering, whether it is microchipping or tracking me ..
Why are you doing it ?
What are you going to do with the information?
What redress do I have if this compromised or used wrongly?
And do I have an opt out?
My freedom is being compromised and I have a right to say No... don't I ?
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Blue, it's a discussion topic. It's like stone said - everyone may have his own point of view. Would you like to wear a non costume and a priest is coming to punish you for bad thoughts hu? ;D
Stone, I'm thinking about chipping all AChat members - you would agree, wouldn't you? Nothing bad will happen with the information I get, I just used it to uhm help ;)
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Lover
I was only half-joking.... Nuns & priests doesn't do it for me I'm afraid, I was brought up a Catholic and educated at a Catholic school.
If I got punished for my bad thoughts, I would be a very sore little girl...... :p
It's not that I am for chipping, I'll march on Washington to oppose it, but I don't think it will happen in the Land Of The Free! Think what you like about our politicians and I have plenty of bad thoughts, but who do you think would suffer the most if all their movements were recorded? Every brothel visit, every unofficial trip with an intern........ every visit to a gay club? And our Televangelists who you would think would love sinners to be chipped... Not on your life, as above they would be exposed for the money-swindling charlatans they really are.
CIA agents? everyone could track them... same for Black Ops forces....
It is not going to happen.
So sleep soundly.
The only chips to beware of are the ones you eat too many of that make you obese!
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The service provider is collecting info about you through your phones and other devices, they will know where you are, what you browse for, what shops you go in, follow every move, even if you don't use the service.. it is talking to your phone, on your person.
Big brother is certainly watching us, the questions I want answering, whether it is microchipping or tracking me ..
Why are you doing it ?
What are you going to do with the information?
What redress do I have if this compromised or used wrongly?
And do I have an opt out?
My freedom is being compromised and I have a right to say No... don't I ?
Big brother is certainly watching us
as I think they are doing now they are watching our every move and action as I heard even from the internet they
know what I like what I am watching that is how our cable works here hahah..
I don't care who others live there life there life styles but all that is getting lost
man I would not even go to the bathroom take a privet ^%^$%# they know where I be at ;D they should smell it to :D..
if all this happens I want to go live some where up on the forest and live off the land lol
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I hate religions to Blue
A lot of people get confused that a person walk with God and faith is different then religion...
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Blue:
It's not that I am for chipping, I'll march on Washington to oppose it, but I don't think it will happen in the Land Of The Free! Think what you like about our politicians and I have plenty of bad thoughts, but who do you think would suffer the most if all their movements were recorded? Every brothel visit, every unofficial trip with an intern........ every visit to a gay club? And our Televangelists who you would think would love sinners to be chipped... Not on your life, as above they would be exposed for the money-swindling charlatans they really are.
CIA agents? everyone could track them... same for Black Ops forces....
It is not going to happen.
So sleep soundly.
The only chips to beware of are the ones you eat too many of that make you obese!
I agree completely. Next step would be to chip "the rest of the world" ;) I just talk for Germany now, but I know it would get into a big fight here. Some political parties would use it (the fight againts chipping) to get votes and we would get a completely chaos here and all over the world. Maybe some dictatots would love this idea of chipping and also the chaos the free world would get into, but every president and governing party will try everything to keep people calm. Chaos is the last they want to have. They give us bread and games to control us :)
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I dont Like that the Forum allows photos of mutated people
the Blood and gore .I find it a little disturbing looking at the
blood and chopped and cut up body's
It would be cool if the can have cheek off box so we skip some things in here and not
open some of this pages .
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I dont Like that the Forum allows photos of mutated people
the Blood and gore .I find it a little disturbing looking at the
blood and chopped and cut up body's
It would be cool if the can have cheek off box so we skip some things in here and not
open some of this pages .
WHAT!?
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*wanted to post something, then saw last few comments*
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Back to football for me.
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I dont Like that the Forum allows photos of mutated people
the Blood and gore .I find it a little disturbing looking at the
blood and chopped and cut up body's
It would be cool if the can have cheek off box so we skip some things in here and not
open some of this pages .
Great idea!! Then I wouldn't have to open any more posts like this one.... heheh
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I will start with yours post on this topic .. Idk but to me seeing a kids have his face chopped off is a little to much,
even if i understand it is for a good cause I dont like seeing a kids face almost falling apart
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This is disturbing and traumatic to see maybe some can take it but when I see this makes my my stomach sick
I understand who you what to have the forum all peaceful a friendly atmosphere of forum
with this photos how can it show a friendly atmosphere. I just don't like body parts falling apart and Blood.
this is not amid at any one. But this is what I see about the forum now and then since I been here.......
Coves Quote:
Great idea!! Then I wouldn't have to open any more posts like this one.... heheh
I think so to I would cheek off so much other topics .
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Thank you for clarifying the said pics and you should read them in context and perhaps be a little more tolerant in your posts as we are with you.
I posted the pic of the child's cheek to make the point in the discussion about dogs being dangerous. It was a serious post with a serious message.
You dont like it, dont look.
I dont know about the middle ones, I suggest they are old and archived. So why reactivate them?
Last one was a joke. I saw the humour in it. Again, if you dont like it, dont look.
I and the other Moderators will judge every post on its merits.
Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
Perhaps a PM next time, instead.
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Thank you for clarifying the said pics and you should read them in context and perhaps be a little more tolerant in your posts as we are with you.
I posted the pic of the child's cheek to make the point in the discussion about dogs being dangerous. It was a serious post with a serious message.
You dont like it, dont look.
I dont know about the middle ones, I suggest they are old and archived. So why reactivate them?
Last one was a joke. I saw the humour in it. Again, if you dont like it, dont look.
I and the other Moderators will judge every post on its merits.
Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
Perhaps a PM next time, instead.
I posted the pic of the child's cheek to make the point in the discussion about dogs being dangerous. It was a serious post with a serious message.
You dont like it, dont look.
yes it is serious post and I understand it is but to see the blood and guts coming out of a child its disturbing could been a adult photo.
blood and guts been torn up is no joke or not its bad taste a photo has lasting impression can even traumatize some.
you say to not look at it how can I do that if its in a topics not just your
its in others to am I not to look at the forum do I close my eyes ..
and the post are not old photos maybe you should go look around I thought you might
of seen then .
Brandy: I and the other Moderators will judge every post on its merits.
as I said its disturbing looking and its not like I can close my eyes when I open a page ..
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You've said your Piece. PM if you want to take this further. I answered your points previously.
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I did not see your post till after Thank you MRs Brandy
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PM Roxy, It's my job to have the last word :P
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Just like A Queen well said ;D
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Dont ever doubt it :)
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I'm known as the
man King who is having the last word. Basta.
;D
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Last Word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hell i havent started with my first words yet
Lucky aint you all LMAO
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What can YOU do to against global warming?
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you may all be earth kings and Queens on the earth But my father is the Only KING above all
so that makes me a heavenly princess.. Just whant you to know, guess who is praying for you.. :D
ask Woody he knows lol his a prince to a biker prince lol 8)
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I say move to the Mars I think its cold there .. ;)
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What can YOU do to against global warming
Plant a Garden a tree maybe one like this the more plants the better.
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WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING?
Well, you could walk to College like I do. Catch the metro instead of taking your car..Or even hitch a ride from a nice truck driver like Martin! ;) ;)
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Be a active activist stand up for what you Believe
Stop being like the Jone's wanting what the other has
Materialistic things ... rust and die
Nobody can do everything,
but EVERYBODY can do something!!
Have a great day, enjoy it while we can!
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1. Reduce, Reuse, Recycle
2. Use Less Heat and Air Conditioning
3.Drive Less and Drive Smart
4.Buy Energy-Efficient Products
5. Use Less Hot Water
6.Encourage Others to Conserve
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Ride bikes
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Shower with a friend
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less asphalt - more trees
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last night I was approached about the flag on my profile on how its racist and that I am a racist ,so heres alittle information about it.
Sinse I am Native American I have the right to say what Im about to.
yes my profile has the confederate battle flag on it. I has not a thing to do with racisum,its purely a battle flag called the stars and bars ,its flown in 99% of the courthouses right next to the red ,white and Blue,its not the confederate flag that is red and white simply a battle flag same as the Union flag started as that became the USA flag,
Think about it if the south would of won we would have the confederate flag flying instead of the red,white and blue.
I was told that it is a symbol of me being a racist yet people forget the North had slavery also but used the English term so it didn't sound so bad.
when ya`ll get the time from toon humping look it up ,then look up hitler and Nazi because I have been called that also even though Im neither,
Hitler stole from the Native Americans a item called a running cross and turned it racial, as to wear in my culture it has a different meaning and it sure isn't against any race,
then hitler took from the Christian and the maltese cross that the pope still wears and made that racial.
Darn it people look things up before attacking,because most of your hate is from people who had no idea except what they were told,
Im a betting person to a extent and I will bet this post wont stay up long but I will leave it unlocked for people who actually read for a minute and find out the truth before you speak to me and make assumptions as to my meaning and intentions
Moderated by Brandybee.
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Seems to me a few members think this is a place to take issue with some comments made in the game by other individuals.
It is not, unless it is a general discussion.
If you have an issue with another member, then please iron it out with them and report any abuse or offence you have taken to Achat and support on the top bar above.
If you wish to have an adult discussion about a subject, then by all means do so. State your case, your views and open it up for discussion.
If you wish to educate forum on the history, do so without being accusatory.
I nor the other mods will allow personal arguments between members to take place in forum.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and open the discussion up on whether flying a flag is racist or a right of freedom?
I do not know enough about your American history to have a view.
I know my own countries history and I am proud to fly my St George Flag & The Union Jack.
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why pick and choose also edit my post removing a lot of it? anyone wishing exactly what the post read message me, I did not break any tos rules ie name any names unless theres someone on here named someone then im sorry for using your name.that was also not the name of this topic
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As we told you in pm, we understand your topic as a general discussion about flags. You say you were approached about the flag on your profile, being a racist, and you wanted to give some information about it.
We didn't remove the content, just changed the title for better understanding and took out the part which could have been misunderstood or could be construed as provoking a war of words.
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I have seen the orginal post made by Sheza an I saw nothing that could be misunderstood by her post. People will have misunderstanding reguardless of what someone else may say. Nothing was defaming anyones person gender or race, it was just to inform, why was it edited and a lot removed? Because of your tos rules no names metioned no gender was mentioned so where was the violation?
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I think,therefore i am................
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@ Suka_Waken.
Welcome to Forum. Please introduce yourself
Forum Homepage / Organisations & Events / Introduce yourself
http://www.funnyadultgamesplay.com/forum/index.php/board,22.0.html
ShezaWolf was edited & moderated as her post was confrontational. She knew this as her last paragraph shows in her post she fully expected the whole post to be removed. It was not. Instead a couple of sentences were removed. If either of you wish to discuss this further, then I will gladly do so by PM.
As I have said repeatedly, personal arguments will not be allowed to be aired in public in forum, whether you name the individual or not. They still know to whom it is directed and could ignite retaliation.
Back to topic .. your views on flag waving?
@ icebox .. am... on the side of flag waving? You seem to be still contemplating ;D ;D ;D
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Hmmmm i know how it feels when others open her mouth before they think,i am from germany and we Germans wear a sign a Long time now......
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The views on the Confederate Flag is a complicated subject for most Americans. It's a topic that can often get heated and tense considering the history behind the flag.
I typically judge the display(ers) of the flag individually, depending less on the popular generalizations of the day, associated with bearers of the flag. What I have learned is that a reasonable, and even understandable argument can be made for displaying the flag. If the argument is made that it represents Southern culture and identity, then that's reasonable enough. If the argument is made that it represents peaceful dissent against a growing Federal (U.S) government that is over stepping its bounds and must be checked (the rebels I respect), then that is fair enough. The last point especially is an admirable point; one that I find difficult to argue against, considering the recent expansion of Federal authority here in the U.S.
However, it is also completely understandable to see why so many people (particularly those who are African American) have an issue with the flag being displayed. It may have evolved to mean Southern autonomy, state rights and Independence, and a spirited rebellious attitude, but for many it means only one thing: an approval of slavery. Again current bearers of old Dixie may have moved away from racial aspects of the flag it once represented and instead focus more on what I consider just reasons for displaying the flag, but at the end of the day, it is a difficult to overlook the dark history surrounding it; one that provided a despicable justification for slavery (hiding behind the protective shroud of free, hyper Capitalism and state rights).
It's with this aforementioned aspect that I personally struggle with the most. I often wonder if the other positive justifications for displaying the flag are out weighed heavily by the tragic choice the Confederacy made with the issue of slavery. Is this point alone enough to warrant an abandonment of the flag (on a public/state level at least)? That's a question that I often ask or asked when discussing this topic of the flag.
Having said all that, I do agree with most that the meaning behind the flag has changed and that we must be careful in judging those who display it. They have a right to display the flag. I also wouldn't consider most who do wave it proudly, racist.
At the same time, I say to those who do display the flag to be aware of the complex racial undertones it does bring, and to be mindful of that fact when engaging with those -who in my opinion- have just cause to be taken aback by its display.
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Dear roxy the flag you just posted was used on the high seas for slavery ships.
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on that note im glad to see we all can agree to disagree
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Sheza
on that note im glad to see we all can agree to disagree
Yes. That's one idea of this topic. To discuss, to exchange opinions and experiences and also to agree to disagree sometimes. From the current discussion I have learned a lot about the american flags.
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This is quite an interesting discussion. Thank you all for taking part and teaching us about american history.
A few years back, a certain section of the English society tried to take the Union Jack and make it theirs. It started to represent undertones of racism, against foreigners in our lands.
We didn't let them. We took our flag back. The Flag is that of the United Kingdom.
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Which brings me to another important day in our History.
Scotland are voting today for independence.
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We could lose our Union Jack forever.
It would have to be re-designed. Maybe something like this.
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Good Luck to all the people of Scotland in such an important decision.
I hope you stay with us. I really do. You are family.
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never again will I post a opinion ,never again will I say I will never be racist towards certain people ner again will I buy achat again for this is what I get for voiceing a opinion
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xShezawolfx
Everyone is welcome here to voice an opinion and open up a discussion. I am enjoying this topic very much and am being educated about American history.
For that I believe it to be of interest and a successful subject to discuss. Well done for bringing up the matter for discussion.
When there are strong feelings on subjects of course you will get opposing views. But that is, what makes us individual. And in hearing others views it educates and teaches tolerance.
If your topic or subject is provoking abuse, then please report it to Achat or us Moderators. We will not advocate abuse of any sort.
The chatlog you published was abusive and has been forwarded to Achat for investigation. In future, please forward by PM. Do not publish in topics as it detracts from the subject discussed. In this case, Flag waving.
Back to topic please... I am interested in others views on this ...
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I have no more views,no thought all that stuff that I posted and I knew I was breaking tos rules,not once did I swear not once did I call her out of name but though all that I did learn something,people wont belive anyother version be it the truth or indifferent no matter how much you show ortell
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We have to separate several aspects now.
- We have the discussion about flags now. A good discussion, which I like and hope to continue. I won't accept anybody voicing his opinion regarding flags will be threatened or offended, as long as his arguments are factual of course.
- There is something going on in background with you and some other members. This is nothing for an open discussion in forum. The forum is not a place to start or continue private argues. This we won't accept here, but offer our help to mediate or/and to bring it up to A-Team.
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Flags of the Confederacy
The Confederate States of America adopted three different national flag patterns between 1861 and 1865. The Provisional Confederate Congress adopted the First National pattern, also referred to as the “Stars and Bars", on March 4, 1861. This pattern flag flew over the Capitol at Montgomery, Alabama, where the Provisional Congress met prior to the bombardment of Fort Sumter in April 1861.
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The Second National pattern, also referred to as the “Stainless Banner”, was adopted May 1, 1863 and incorporated the Army of Northern Virginia’s battle flag design in the canton on a white field. The first official use of the Second National pattern flag was on Stonewall Jackson's casket when his body lay in state in Richmond, May 10, 1863.
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The Third National pattern, adopted March 4, 1865, shortened the white field and added a vertical red bar to the end of the Second National pattern flag. Very few, if any, of the Third National pattern flags saw service during the war, since General Lee's Army of Northern Virginia surrendered just a few weeks later at Appomattox.
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In addition to the national flags of the Confederacy, there were many battle flag patterns used by the Confederate armies.
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The Army of Northern Virginia pattern battle flag, first issued to units beginning in November 1861, was designed to be a distinctive flag for use on the battlefield. It underwent numerous revisions in design and materials throughout the war. Although this particular flag is the most common flag pattern associated with the Confederate States of America, the Confederate Congress never officially adopted this flag, except as the canton of the Second and Third National patterns.
taken from: http://www.moc.org/collections-archives/flags-confederacy
In my opinion, the two main reasons why the battle flag is offensive to many:
1. It represents the south's desire to continue the "peculiar institution" which was a euphemism for slavery. When you prune all the causes of the American Civil War to it's roots, slavery is what remains. Some will argue it was for state's rights, but that right they speak of was linked to slavery.
2. In almost every picture or depiction of white supremacy groups, such as the Klu Klux Klan, that battle flag is usually present.
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NORTHERN PROFITS from SLAVERY
The effects of the New England slave trade were momentous. It was one of the foundations of New England's economic structure; it created a wealthy class of slave-trading merchants, while the profits derived from this commerce stimulated cultural development and philanthropy. --Lorenzo Johnston Greene, �The Negro in Colonial New England, 1620-1776,� p.319.
Whether it was officially encouraged, as in New York and New Jersey, or not, as in Pennsylvania, the slave trade flourished in colonial Northern ports. But New England was by far the leading slave merchant of the American colonies.
The first systematic venture from New England to Africa was undertaken in 1644 by an association of Boston traders, who sent three ships in quest of gold dust and black slaves. One vessel returned the following year with a cargo of wine, salt, sugar, and tobacco, which it had picked up in Barbados in exchange for slaves. But the other two ran into European warships off the African coast and barely escaped in one piece. Their fate was a good example of why Americans stayed out of the slave trade in the 17th century. Slave voyages were profitable, but Puritan merchants lacked the resources, financial and physical, to compete with the vast, armed, quasi-independent European chartered corporations that were battling to monopolize the trade in black slaves on the west coast of Africa. The superpowers in this struggle were the Dutch West India Company and the English Royal African Company. The Boston slavers avoided this by making the longer trip to the east coast of Africa, and by 1676 the Massachusetts ships were going to Madagascar for slaves. Boston merchants were selling these slaves in Virginia by 1678. But on the whole, in the 17th century New Englanders merely dabbled in the slave trade.
Then, around 1700, the picture changed. First the British got the upper hand on the Dutch and drove them from many of their New World colonies, weakening their demand for slaves and their power to control the trade in Africa. Then the Royal African Company's monopoly on African coastal slave trade was revoked by Parliament in 1696. Finally, the Assiento and the Treaty of Utrecht (1713) gave the British a contract to supply Spanish America with 4,800 slaves a year. This combination of events dangled slave gold in front of the New England slave traders, and they pounced. Within a few years, the famous �Triangle Trade� and its notorious �Middle Passage� were in place.
Rhode Islanders had begun including slaves among their cargo in a small way as far back as 1709. But the trade began in earnest there in the 1730s. Despite a late start, Rhode Island soon surpassed Massachusetts as the chief colonial carrier. After the Revolution, Rhode Island merchants had no serious American competitors. They controlled between 60 and 90 percent of the U.S. trade in African slaves. Rhode Island had excellent harbors, poor soil, and it lacked easy access to the Newfoundland fisheries. In slave trading, it found its natural calling. William Ellery, prominent Newport merchant, wrote in 1791, �An Ethiopian could as soon change his skin as a Newport merchant could be induced to change so lucrative a trade as that in slaves for the slow profits of any manufactory.�[1]
Boston and Newport were the chief slave ports, but nearly all the New England towns -- Salem, Providence, Middletown, New London � had a hand in it. In 1740, slaving interests in Newport owned or managed 150 vessels engaged in all manner of trading. In Rhode Island colony, as much as two-thirds of the merchant fleet and a similar fraction of sailors were engaged in slave traffic. The colonial governments of Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania all, at various times, derived money from the slave trade by levying duties on black imports. Tariffs on slave import in Rhode Island in 1717 and 1729 were used to repair roads and bridges.
The 1750 revocation of the Assiento dramatically changed the slave trade yet again. The system that had been set up to stock Spanish America with thousands of Africans now needed another market. Slave ships began to steer northward. From 1750 to 1770, African slaves flooded the Northern docks. Merchants from Philadelphia, New York, and Perth Amboy began to ship large lots (100 or more) in a single trip. As a result, wholesale prices of slaves in New York fell 50% in six years.
On the eve of the Revolution, the slave trade �formed the very basis of the economic life of New England.�[2] It wove itself into the entire regional economy of New England. The Massachusetts slave trade gave work to coopers, tanners, sailmakers, and ropemakers. Countless agents, insurers, lawyers, clerks, and scriveners handled the paperwork for slave merchants. Upper New England loggers, Grand Banks fishermen, and livestock farmers provided the raw materials shipped to the West Indies on that leg of the slave trade. Colonial newspapers drew much of their income from advertisements of slaves for sale or hire. New England-made rum, trinkets, and bar iron were exchanged for slaves. When the British in 1763 proposed a tax on sugar and molasses, Massachusetts merchants pointed out that these were staples of the slave trade, and the loss of that would throw 5,000 seamen out of work in the colony and idle almost 700 ships. The connection between molasses and the slave trade was rum. Millions of gallons of cheap rum, manufactured in New England, went to Africa and bought black people. Tiny Rhode Island had more than 30 distilleries, 22 of them in Newport. In Massachusetts, 63 distilleries produced 2.7 million gallons of rum in 1774. Some was for local use: rum was ubiquitous in lumber camps and on fishing ships. �But primarily rum was linked with the Negro trade, and immense quantities of the raw liquor were sent to Africa and exchanged for slaves. So important was rum on the Guinea Coast that by 1723 it had surpassed French and Holland brandy, English gin, trinkets and dry goods as a medium of barter.�[3] Slaves costing the equivalent of �4 or �5 in rum or bar iron in West Africa were sold in the West Indies in 1746 for �30 to �80. New England thrift made the rum cheaply -- production cost was as low as 5� pence a gallon -- and the same spirit of Yankee thrift discovered that the slave ships were most economical with only 3 feet 3 inches of vertical space to a deck and 13 inches of surface area per slave, the human cargo laid in carefully like spoons in a silverware case.
A list of the leading slave merchants is almost identical with a list of the region's prominent families: the Fanueils, Royalls, and Cabots of Massachusetts; the Wantons, Browns, and Champlins of Rhode Island; the Whipples of New Hampshire; the Eastons of Connecticut; Willing & Morris of Philadelphia. To this day, it's difficult to find an old North institution of any antiquity that isn't tainted by slavery. Ezra Stiles imported slaves while president of Yale. Six slave merchants served as mayor of Philadelphia. Even a liberal bastion like Brown University has the shameful blot on its escutcheon. It is named for the Brown brothers, Nicholas, John, Joseph, and Moses, manufacturers and traders who shipped salt, lumber, meat -- and slaves. And like many business families of the time, the Browns had indirect connections to slavery via rum distilling. John Brown, who paid half the cost of the college's first library, became the first Rhode Islander prosecuted under the federal Slave Trade Act of 1794 and had to forfeit his slave ship. Historical evidence also indicates that slaves were used at the family's candle factory in Providence, its ironworks in Scituate, and to build Brown's University Hall.[4]
Even after slavery was outlawed in the North, ships out of New England continued to carry thousands of Africans to the American South. Some 156,000 slaves were brought to the United States in the period 1801-08, almost all of them on ships that sailed from New England ports that had recently outlawed slavery. Rhode Island slavers alone imported an average of 6,400 Africans annually into the U.S. in the years 1805 and 1806. The financial base of New England's antebellum manufacturing boom was money it had made in shipping. And that shipping money was largely acquired directly or indirectly from slavery, whether by importing Africans to the Americas, transporting slave-grown cotton to England, or hauling Pennsylvania wheat and Rhode Island rum to the slave-labor colonies of the Caribbean.
Northerners profited from slavery in many ways, right up to the eve of the Civil War. The decline of slavery in the upper South is well documented, as is the sale of slaves from Virginia and Maryland to the cotton plantations of the Deep South. But someone had to get them there, and the U.S. coastal trade was firmly in Northern hands. William Lloyd Garrison made his first mark as an anti-slavery man by printing attacks on New England merchants who shipped slaves from Baltimore to New Orleans.
Long after the U.S. slave trade officially ended, the more extensive movement of Africans to Brazil and Cuba continued. The U.S. Navy never was assiduous in hunting down slave traders. The much larger British Navy was more aggressive, and it attempted a blockade of the slave coast of Africa, but the U.S. was one of the few nations that did not permit British patrols to search its vessels, so slave traders continuing to bring human cargo to Brazil and Cuba generally did so under the U.S. flag. They also did so in ships built for the purpose by Northern shipyards, in ventures financed by Northern manufacturers.
In a notorious case, the famous schooner-yacht Wanderer, pride of the New York Yacht Club, put in to Port Jefferson Harbor in April 1858 to be fitted out for the slave trade. Everyone looked the other way -- which suggests this kind of thing was not unusual -- except the surveyor of the port, who reported his suspicions to the federal officials. The ship was seized and towed to New York, but her captain talked (and possibly bought) his way out and was allowed to sail for Charleston, S.C.
Fitting out was completed there, the Wanderer was cleared by Customs, and she sailed to Africa where she took aboard some 600 blacks. On Nov. 28, 1858, she reached Jekyll Island, Georgia, where she illegally unloaded the 465 survivors of what is generally called the last shipment of slaves to arrive in the United States.
So lets stop saying slavery was a Southern thing http://slavenorth.com/profits.htm
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The institution of slavery was firmly established in the American colonies by the time of the American Revolution. The total of a half million slaves were spread out through all of the colonies, but It was most important in the six southern states from Maryland to Georgia. 40% of the South’s population was made up of slaves, and as Americans moved into Kentucky and the rest of the southwest fully one-sixth of the settlers were slaves. By the end of the war, the New England states provided most of the American ships that were used in the foreign slave trade while most of their customers were in Georgia and the Carolinas.
During this time many Americans found it difficult to reconcile slavery with their interpretation of Christianity and the lofty sentiments that flowed from the Declaration of Independence. A small antislavery movement, led by the Quakers, had some impact in the 1780s and by the late 1780s all of the states except for Georgia had placed some restrictions on their participation in slave trafficking. Still, no serious national political movement against slavery developed, largely due to the overriding concern over achieving national unity. When the Constitutional Convention met, slavery was the one issue that left the least possibility of compromise, the one that would most pit morality against pragmatism. In the end, while many would take comfort in the fact that the word slavery never occurs in the Constitution, critics note that the three-fifths clause* provided slaveholders with extra representatives in Congress, the requirement of the federal government to suppress domestic violence would dedicate national resources to defending against slave revolts, a twenty-year delay in banning the import of slaves allowed the South to fortify its labor needs, and the amendment process made the national abolition of slavery very unlikely in the foreseeable future.
With the outlawing of the African slave trade on January 1, 1808, many Americans felt that the slavery issue was resolved. Any national discussion that might have continued over slavery was drowned out by the years of trade embargoes, maritime competition with Great Britain and France, and, finally, the War of 1812 (when the United States once again kicked Great Britain’s ass ;D). The one exception to this quiet regarding slavery was the New Englanders' association of their frustration with the war with their resentment of the three-fifths clause that seemed to allow the South to dominate national politics.
In the aftermath of the American Revolution, the northern states (north of the Mason-Dixon Line separating Pennsylvania and Maryland) abolished slavery by 1804. The Mason-Dixon Line runs east through the southern part of New Jersey, so yes… there were slaves in the North. In the 1787 Northwest Ordinance, Congress (still under the Articles of Confederation) barred slavery from the Mid-Western territory north of the Ohio River, but when the U.S. Congress organized the southern territories acquired through the Louisiana Purchase, the ban on slavery was omitted.
* The Three-Fifths Compromise
The Three-Fifths Compromise was a compromise reached between delegates from southern states and those from northern states during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention. The debate was over if, and if so, how, slaves would be counted when determining a state's total population for constitutional purposes. The issue was important, as this population number would then be used to determine the number of seats that the state would have in the United States House of Representatives for the next ten years, and to determine what percentage of the nation's direct tax burden the state would have to bear. The compromise was proposed by delegates James Wilson and Roger Sherman.
The Convention had unanimously accepted the principle that representation in the House of Representatives would be in proportion to the relative state populations. However, since slaves could not vote, non-slaves in slave states would thus have the benefit of increased representation in the House and the Electoral College. Delegates opposed to slavery proposed that only free inhabitants of each state be counted for apportionment purposes, while delegates supportive of slavery, on the other hand, opposed the proposal, wanting slaves to count in their actual numbers. A compromise which was finally agreed upon—of counting "all other persons" as only three-fifths of their actual numbers—reduced the representation of the slave states relative to the original proposals, but improved it over the Northern position. An inducement for slave states to accept the Compromise was its tie to taxation in the same ratio, so that the burden of taxation on the slave states was also reduced.
The Three-Fifths Compromise is found in Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution which reads:
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
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Most Americans are or should be aware of the past history the Union had with slavery. If you're making the argument that the U.S flag should share the same level of guilt and shame like that of the Confederate flag because of its association with slavery (or if you're making the argument that we should abandon all arguments that one is more righteous over another and simply enjoy the flags any which way we want without relying on past history), then I say I find a fault in your logic.
The difference between both the Confederacy and the Union is this: slavery was only a part of the history to the latter, while it was the entire history of the former, because the Confederacy ultimately dissolved with the end of the Civil War. To use an idea from Sartre, "An entity is defined by what it does during its existence, and nothing else". The Confederacy lived and died, and during its existence, always stood for the full-throat, violent defense of slavery. The U.S were and still is, given that opportunity to change, shift policies and correct mistakes much like every individual has that right to redeem themselves. Essentially, the U.S flag has the luxury to move away from past mistakes (in this case slavery) because it has survived long enough to correct those mistakes, unlike the Confederacy which doesn't have that same opportunity.
If we were to go by your logic (again the one I think you are insinuating) then all flags, be it American, French, or British would carry no honor or virtue because of their past historical mistakes. These nations and the flags that represent them, are still able to aspire to the ideals that make them virtuous.
I am sorry if that doesn't seem fair. If others may feel that the Confederate flag should have that same right as other flags to shift away from any negative symbolic connotations and focus more on the positive connotations it does have. To diminish the subject of slavery -one of the defining legacies the Confederacy has- is an attempt to rewrite history.
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http://www.confederateamericanpride.com/notslavery.html there ya go Hukk personally my issue wasn't about other countries or thir flags just tired of a battle flag causeing such attacks on Southeners we are not ignorant,stupid nor 99% racist that link goes to someone whos of color and her opinion
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The accusations of racism, and division comes with the territory when donning the flag. Though the people who support the flag may not themselves, be racist, they should be aware of what baggage it does bring when displaying it; being responsible and accepting the good along with the bad it carries. It's a heavy burden that people can choose to either walk away from or accept.
Again, I judge those who do display the flag individually. I look at the context in which they display the flag and make my own determinations. You, along with the very, very, few people I personally know who support the flag are not racist. I came to the conclusion long ago, and personally know you do not display it with any malicious intent. I may not agree with your views on how the flag should be viewed, but I'll defend you against those who label you a racist.
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I have read this debate with interest and have learned some history from across the pond. I haven’t entered the debate as I felt I did not know enough about what the flag meant.
But actually I do, it represents deep hurt and bad feeling to some and to others it’s just a flag. I know this hurt, it may be different but I know it.
It’s a flag that has shown diabolical treatment to our fellow man and to others it represents the place they come from.
This flag is a symbol, other such symbols exist and will have just as much meaning and strong feeling.
The important thing here, is we look at our history, our sacrifices and the wrongs we have done in the past and learn by it.
You will feel in your soul that your view is right but so will the opposing side.
The thing is to dispel that hate.
We have to accept, that what we are enjoying now was because of those battles and sacrifices. We have the freedom to express our views, to debate our beliefs but ultimately to accept we are all individual and we will never all agree except of course to agree to disagree.
That is our strength, that is where we rise above the wrongs and that is where we claim back our freedoms and find the strength to forgive or move on but not forget.
The flag is important. When you see it flown, don’t be offended. See it as your history is not forgotten, see it as a talking point to tell it, see it, that although you do not like it, it is a freedom that your ancestors have fought or endured and died for.
I remember a young Muslim lad burnt the Union Jack in my country in protest and anger over something he felt strongly over. It was shown on TV all over. It was meant to insult and invoke strong feeling.
But when you think about it, after the initial anger, he had the freedom to do so in my and his country. My country gave him that privilege and that freedom. And I learnt that day, not to be angry that he burnt and stamped on the flag I loved, be thankful that he exercised his right to do so in a free country. As much as he could burn his Union Jack, I could fly mine.
My country has been involved in many bad things in our history but many good too.
England and Ireland were at war for many in Ireland wanted to end the British Rule in Northern Ireland. As a consequence mainland Britain was bombed. Britain called it terrorism. Many were maimed and killed on both sides. Both believed they were right.
The believers in Ireland called them Soldiers fighting for their freedom. Neither side would budge and so reigned years of terror and hatred and death and destruction. Generation after generation were taught the hate.
No one is right, no one is wrong. For every example you can give for your cause, the opposing side can give a counter example…
The deep feelings go on and on and on and on…
The question therefore was not who was right and who would win. As always in these matters, the question is what price are you willing to pay for peace and not getting into pointless battles that have no end. Remember the examples you have, make them known, listen to the other sides too and educate the future generations.
So it can never happen again.
Britain & Ireland took this stance and following many long discussions and arguments, the Good Friday agreement in December 1998 and St Andrews Agreement in 2006 was reached and although a bumpy ride, the bombings and killings eventually stopped.
And note the dates, not all that long ago.
Enemies became associates to ensure there was fairness to all sides. Heated debates occurred but in the process, the hatred stopped. Respect even earned but their views always opposed, in most things.
Part of that agreement was Britain let the terrorists free from prison, a sickening sight for some, for they saw murderers released.
Ireland saw their soldiers released and returned home to their families who loved and missed them.
What we have now, is our children enjoying the peace at last but learning our history, forming their own opinions but most of all learning peace is important and playing and laughing together as children should.
History is important but so is Peace. Learn by it, don’t let the anger fester.
Therefore I muse rhetorical questions, What price would YOU pay for peace and to irradiate the inbred hatred and what are YOU prepared to do to help this process?
Are YOU a person who is prepared to do nothing and just bicker and bicker and bicker. If you are, then stand aside, butt out, don’t make the situation worst and let the PEACE MAKERS make the world a happier place to live.
One thing I know for certain, Racism is wrong, be it black, white, British, Irish, whatever. That we all agree on in this debate.
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the one thing brandy all it is,is a confederate battle flag look up the union battle flag of the north would their be a issue if the south won the civil war? Our kids plege to a flag evey day in school to a battle flag from the north and would the north be condemned for thier hate as its been put ,yes it would because its how children are taught.btw stop bringing turtles into a conversation
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I think each one can have and want her own flag... from my point of view... those are the only flags i am interesting...
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End of discussions!!! everyone goes to achat bar and grill... i pay for the beers and mojitos!!!
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Ok, i think a change of subject is needed, so........i got a very interessing thing to put under the light:
What did you expect by this forum!?
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I don't think I have any additional needs from forum..
Our moderators, as our link to the powers that be, keep us informed
and give us the chance to voice our ideas and suggestions for
Achat improvement.
I feel that Achat should have informed moderators better before the recent
changes to Achat. We had a lot of questioned that they couldn't answer
Immediately.
We have a great community here with a lot of fun opportunities to
Interact with other members by way of posts and competitions.
Keep up the great work… I love our forum
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http://www.care2.com/causes/yes-the-confederate-flag-is-racist-and-heres-why.html
Here is WHY the rebel flag or the real name confederate flag is a racist symbol to black people and I am black, native american, and white so I have always been raised to know no color! BUT my own family comes from Georgia where that flag is their state flag and even those who live there do not wave it nor celebrate it for they know the TRUE meaning of it and it has NOTHING to do with being Native American- for we are descendants of the Cherokees, Blackfoot, and Choctaw nation and never ever has this been apart of the culture.
This flag is a symbol of many horrid, unnecessary murders, rapes, discrimination, humiliation and much more. This flag will never be a symbol of anything positive for it is waved by those who have in past and present support the past and present behaviors of this flag. I would be no different if a person of German decent had a swastika present as their profile pic. it would offend those who were affected directly or indirectly by those who made it a symbol of hate discrimination, pain, suffering, and other horrid sorted details. I would hope that would not be allowed any more than I think this flag should be allowed. And I will reiterate, I assure you I am NOT the only one who is not pleased with this flag being paraded around like a badge of honor especially when there are idiotic messages that follow it like "putting stars n bars flag in her yard" regardless who it is meant for, is an attempt to antagonize those who know the truth about it and knows you can call it any dressed up name you chose to call it...walks like a duck, quacks like a duck guess what ALL OVER THE WORLD its a duck! I just felt that since it was expressed about the "good" meaning of it; I felt it my right to bring forth some education to why this is a problem and not just someone being randomly picked on for a " regular flag" not the case at all. If it was just something I did not like without merit I would have to get over it and not worry past the point its unappealing to JUST me. So I chose to take the time and say this ISNT the case at all for it goes way beyond unappealing or something that just isn't me or what I am into as well as others who might be afraid to speak out about it; for knowing the backlash it could cause them for speaking out. I do not fret such activities for I have no issues with doing what is necessary to handle them in a proper and decent form. Thank you for allowing me to explain the REAL and true reason why this flag is "catching" so much attention.
Sincerely Yours,
LeighDeeXXX!
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leighdeexxx get over it the subject has been changed,btw tell your sister that it was not the years she claims simple we were just coming out of British rule learn history before going on what great great pa said or ma.
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Please reframe from speaking to me or about my sister, if you have something to say about her the grown up thing to do is go to her like an adult and not as a child. Further more I have the right to say what is on my mind, I DO NOT need or desire your permission to do such! SO thank you but I would appreciate no further contact from you as well as my sister! Good day.
LeighDeeXXX
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Lady's please take your Personal Dispute Privet .
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I would prefer to be left alone by her and not spoken to or about, I made no mention of her personally in either post that I have made here. I too have the "right" to express mine and many others point of view. And if it was a closed subject I do not understand why its still available and capable being replied to. I just thought if it was a "harmless" post about reasoning and not intended to offend...I too thought it would be just as informative to show the "other side" of the subject as I have mentioned. So I am not here to play tug a war or get into any form of showdown, just trying to utilize my privileges just like everyone else has the ability to do. I am also a beginner here on the forum and I have only posted two things now and replied to a few. So as far as I am concerned my sister (who never comes here ) and I do not wish any further contact as I keep saying with her or her friends! THANK YOU!
LeighDeeXXX
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Welcome to the forum
leighdee
You have every right to express your opine on how you feel about it .
The topic was changed by a mod HB ..
I think it was wrong of shewolf to post what she did but this is going on to long and its getting personal
I would suggest you take it privet to work it out or with a mod and I am meaning for you both
Please don't take this personnel I also agree a change of subject was need ..
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it ws tried Roxy but to no avail,the subject was changed and I didn't post till she posted snipeing the flag,yes I take flack but yet to call her out of her name,you can ask Brandy we had a deal that if she removed the racist stuff off her profile and the snipes off her sisters profile then I WOULD remove it but she changed the deal now I would prefer going back to a subject change
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I am going to go on record as to say I NEVER EVER AGREED TO THAT AND I DO NOT HAVE CONTROL over my sister as you have claimed not to be able to control your friends! SO please like I have said I DO NOT WANT ANY MORE conversations about me or my sister coming from you and please keep it straight; I know BrandyBee never could have told you I agreed to that foolishness because that so ISNT what I said. Anything I have said once I would have no problems saying it again and if I cannot or do not say it again ITS BECAUSE I DIDNT SAY IT TO BEGIN WITH!
ROXXY,
I have nothing else to say about this or her. Like I have said in my experienced with closed chats they have been disabled and not able to see or answer to. As I have mentioned I felt the need to share education of the realisms of the flag that truly is all about hate and racism. I do not apologize for not dummying down to make others feel superior; not who I am and not how I roll.
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opinions are like arseholes
everyone has one
and they all stink
flags have NO MEANING apart from what you give them
a flag is not racist it is a inanimate piece of material
slavery is wrong it was wrong then it is wrong now
(and yes there is still slavery in this world)
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Ladies,
I think we both know your personal views on the flag. However you both demean your opposing stance by quite simply carrying on the spat in public.
The deal on the table was simple and would have put an end to this dispute and you both would have got what you wanted.
ShezaWolf offered to take the flag down if the comments on LeighDee's profiles were taken down. This was refused unless ShezaWolf took her flag down first.
I asked ShezWolf to take her flag down first and the remarks would be removed from the profiles. ShezWolf refused.
Therefore, there was a childish stalemate. No one was prepared to budge FIRST.
The flag is not illegal or against TOS. The remarks on the profiles are not illegal or against TOS.
The only people who can solve this dispute is you but you both have decided to carry it on. That is a matter for yourselves.
But it wont continue in Forum any more. Any further posts about the spat will be removed. The issue of the flag has been discussed and both sides put forward.
As Lover says so adequately on occasions BASTA.
Thank you to FoxyRoxxy and AusWoody for your support.
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Ok, you heard the gentle and rational part of the mods, now let's hear me:
I'm pissed off of personal fight against two users, here in forum and you must thanks the fact that Brandy read this before me or those posts will be directly erased by me! if users have problem against them self, i ask you, no i pretend, to solve them in private via PM or, if you need a moderation, ask us via PM and not in the section of the forum. Remember, this is not a place to solve personal problem, this is a place where we try to have sane confrontation of idea and discussion to improve our favourite game, so please......remember it well!
I tell you all......other similar situation are no more tollerate by me in the forum and in any section of it.
HB
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And now, let's back to the last topic:
What did you expect by this forum!?
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I expect
Cheeseburgers
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Mmmmmm.......
I can haz cheeseburger?
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Cheese burgers sound good but seriously folks.
In a free society we are entitled to our opinions, but this is not a free license to get nasty with other posters.
HB is right when he says personal squabbles have no place in this topic or the forum for that matter.
So lets get this topic back on track, this topic is for discussion not fighting.
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Actually, I have no idea.
Lover may be able to help on that one.
Usually I remember we have a topic and try and search it out when the need arises, as do other members at times which proves useful. Lover, HB and our older members are a good source of information. Maybe they can help on that one.
I think you may have to start counting though ... ;D
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omggggggggg
I think I will start monday that when i have a lot of energy thank you I am sure it will take me a week
i dont think lover had the time to cheek it out his always busy lol thank you Brandy
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You are kidding, right!? i don't know how many threads we have in all the forum, but can swear they are a lot....too much, maybe, and counting all of them will takes ages.....AIUTOOOO!
seriously....this is a question very hard to answer....
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Honey,
Just look at the forum index page. The number of topics and posts is shown for each board.
Eg Announcements has 129 topics with 1, 143 posts :)
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Omg baby you know it ! :o you are king mod ! you are my earth GOD and you know it...
dumbstruck
I am never going to stop hearing about this one :D
So its ok to say its a big big forum with lots of interesting topics
do you understand why I love to post now ;D :P
I will wait to hear back on this :D
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Dohhhhhhhh
me neither Roxy
That's why he's King Mod mwahhhhhhhh
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Respect others
I wold like to discuss this about respecting exclusive relationships and couples on Achat.
I know that this is a Virtual Sex Games but I would like some of you to know who I feel about it
yes its all sex fantasies with consenting adults partner, not all are consenting just because its a sex game dose not
mean all have the same life style sure we can post but when you know it will start a conflict and you name a person
why posted it to trigger a reaction ? of cures there is going to be a reaction... and then this disterbes the friendly
places we have here ....I ask that before you post something and it has to name others that it be consenting ..
And also that we learn to respected each other and life style we have many members with different customs beliefs
its a sex game but its a consenting one, ask think before you post
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If others are exclusive relationships I feel that some have to respected this ...
not all do it .
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Respect others
I wold like to discuss this about respecting exclusive relationships and couples on Achat.
I know that this is a Virtual Sex Games but I would like some of you to know who I feel about it
yes its all sex fantasies with consenting adults partner, not all are consenting just because its a sex game dose not
mean all have the same life style sure we can post but when you know it will start a conflict and you name a person
why posted it to trigger a reaction ? of cures there is going to be a reaction... and then this disterbes the friendly
places we have here ....I ask that before you post something and it has to name others that it be consenting ..
And also that we learn to respected each other and life style we have many members with different customs beliefs
its a sex game but its a consenting one, ask think before you post
I am agree with your words Roxy, here is a lot of people, with diferent ways, and all the ways are respectfull. From my point of view, each person is diferent, but each person have a heart, and some of us are more sensitive than others, and for some one something means nothing, and for some one its hurts.
I think we have to be adults, and act like that, and over all, respect all, thats means respect persons, couples, groups, etnias, religions, gender, sexual orientation... i like to respect all, because respect is the most important thing if you want to feel respect from others.
I have friends with a loyal relation, have friends who have not relations, and i love all of them, but i dont like people who want to hurt others.
Kisses and hugs to all :) :-* i pay next round in achat bar and grill.
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I have been a member of Forum for awhile now and have been with jayc even longer.
I am in an exclusive relationship with him. It is not a secret that I adore him. On occasions, and only with consent of all parties, we have occasionally taken part in erotic story lines with others here in forum. We do not room others in the game though. ( Except if its a secret date in a forum game, or a forum game we are involved in of course )
In saying that, It is only natural that girls will chat him up and see the wonderful qualities that I see in him. It is a compliment and I am lucky he chose me.
If a girl takes liberties, then it is up to him to deal with it and hopefully, not be too tempted. I do not get involved. ( Well I might bash his ear but thats for our private conversation. LOL )
The important thing is, Jayc & I respect each other and we respect other members.
Neither of us mind, flirting with other members, nor they with us. It's a nice ego boost but we also make it clear we are involved and on the whole people respect our relationship.
This place is fun, people tease us, it is in fun and we always look at it like that. People are our friends here and I know that no one would deliberately upset or hurt us. ( There are exceptions but we have our ignore button )
Maybe that is the secret of why our relationship has lasted so long against all the odds. We are not offended easily.
I am confident in my relationship with him and I trust him.
Exclusive relationships are rare here. It should not be up to every member to know who is with who. It is up to us to identify it in an adult way without conflict should the need arise.
I would never embarrass Jayc by declaring him as my property to any girl, any more than he would of me to any guy. It is up to the one concerned to deal with each incident as it comes along, respecting all parties.
Jayc is a wonderful man and I am lucky to be his spouse. Why would I ruin that with silly jealousies when we have better things to talk about and do?
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Sometimes I feel I am a stranger here, in spite of having been a faithful and active member for 3 years now.
Today someone posted something I just don't understand on the Birthday thread and now Roxxy is talking about respecting people's exclusive relationships as if everyone on here knows what she is talking about.
I haven't a clue!
What am I missing?
I wouldn't think anyone should be trying to break up relationships on here, what would they hope to gain?
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Stone put it perfectly and I have to say, I strongly admire, and always have admired, hers and Jayc's relationship. Congrats on maintaining a long & healthy relationship guys!
I think it is important and necessary for exclusive relationships to be respected around here in order to avoid conflict. That's a given.
However, I also believe that you can not assume that everyone else will know what you define "respecting" that relationship as, or even know what type of relationship you have and what that entails. It is up for you two consenting partners to determine what those guidelines are exactly and know where you stand and then when a third party approaches either one of you, it is your responsibility to inform them of these guidelines regarding the nature of your relationship with your significant partner.
Therefore, when someone approaches your man or your girl in a suggestive or flirty manner, don't go on attacking them and start a fight. Be a grown up about it and leave it up the partner that was approached to deal with the situation in a polite and respectful manner.
That's my two cents on the issue.
Peace & love to all xx
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Some posts can cause a reactions and does not take a lot of intelligence to see what could happen
3 year whats that got to do with any thing ..
I am sure 2 years from know I will still be here to even 5 .....
Any way I can understand how some can react to posts as many as other might, maybe some have a
different way of life style more free, that's ok that's your's to be as you wish.
but if you triggere it and as many would see it , it can cause a reaction. I can see why some would.
who is talking about break up relationships
or others with flirty jealousies
Quot : amy
Therefore, when someone approaches your man or your girl in a suggestive or flirty manner, don't go on attacking them and start a fight
Stone I really Respect your post and i think thats great what you and jay have .....I say more later
What after being here almost 1 year I just don't understand why some cant understand that just bec its a sex game not all
play the same as other
topic is easy Respect others
example :
I see a relationship I am not going to go post that kind post to a couple that are in a relationship with out there consent
its very easy to understand it some one got very upset but there triggered it ....
Moderated by Brandybee. Words changed.
All power and authority is given to me in the name of jesus christ..
blessed is the one that stand up for justice
for by faith I am under his grace..
For if I was wrong
I should apologize to you blue if you did not know as you said...
but if I am right then you and every one will be are under Gods justice .
and he will stand at my side I am under his grace.
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
grace reign through righteousness
I thank God for blessing me for wanting fair justice...
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After playing this game for awhile and before joining forum, I found an easy way to explain most of the game play by phases
Phase 1 = Kid in a sweet shop, have sex with anything that will take you in a room, Male, Female, Shemale, or your preference, it doesn’t matter. You are learning the craft and how the poses work and what you like.
Phase 2 = Bored of meaningless sex, looking for a relationship, where you have regular harem lovers, that you care for but not a special one
Phase 3 = Special lover or spouse, who becomes priority, still play but with ground rules. You will leave a room and go to your special lover as soon as you are able to go to your special lover / spouse
Phase 4 = Special lover or spouse and exclusive, no other lovers. The only thing you can do with someone else is dance and talk. No sex or nudity.
Phase 5 = meet in Real Life. You both agree to meet in a real life encounter.
You can go up and down these phases as a relationship ends and new begin.
I find, conflict is usually found when potential partners are in different phases. Best to find out in chat before rooming. Saves lots of problems.
As for jealousy and silly outbursts. Don't show your partner up by confronting the said offender, let the partner deal with it. At the end of the day, if he / she wants you, he / she will stay. If he / she doesnt, trust me ... you deserve so much better.
One thing for sure though, if you cant handle your jealousy, it will drive your partner away or, he / she will become deceitful to you and not tell you things to avoid conflict. Is that the kind of relationship you want?
Good Luck to all.
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Respect is something everyone can demand and has to give too!
We all are here to have fun. Everyone on his own style and as he/she wishes, as long as you don't attack, offend or judge other. And of course, as long as you don't act against TOS.
Respect is a word which is spoken easy. But having respect for other sometimes can be very hard. Maybe because we don't like what they are doing or how they are doing something. Maybe we don't like the words they use. Sometimes just because we don't understand the meaning of their words - what did the writer (the sender of the message) want to say?
Then it's on us to check our reaction. If we are upset, we better wait to answer. Maybe ask first - what do you mean? Do I understand you right?
We can agree with someone's opinion. Respect is easy then. Or we can disagree with someone's opinion. This is the point when respect begins. Respecting other relations means, not trying to go between them. For this, first you have to know they are in a relation. Either from opening your eyes or becausethey tell you. If you, knowing they are spoused or exclusive, try to seduce them, it's on them to tell you "Stop". So long, so good. Nothing bad has happened. If you still continue, you lose respect. Simple but true.
Respect also ends, when it comes to personal attacks or offending. This, and just this, we mods never will accept or tolerate. Not because we don't like it, but it's bad for a good atmosphere in forum. Tell me I'm wrong, but I believe we mods (and almost everybody else too) always respected oher's opinion. We never judged or harmd other lifestyles. As long as I'm mod here, this also never will happen.
We also make sure, we respect you as person, even when we have to edit or remove a post. This is just for the common sense and doesn't mean you're a bad person. We just refer to one single action you're doing. In this moment we judge the behave, never the person. This is respect too.
Tolerance is another term in this context. Being more tolerant is the ONLY way to get all these different people under one hat. Everybody, including me, has to learn to be tolerant. Step back, think about, say "not what i like, but it doesn't affect me". Smile - done.
Intolerance is not just the opposite of tolerance. It's saying "I am right and you are wrong. You, as person, are wrong. You are bad, because you're not living the way I do." Here, in this forum, there is no place for this attitude. You can stay and learn to be tolerant or you can go.
I always will stand for free speech. For respect. For tolerance. Join me. Let's make it a place for a strong community. Let's make it a place for a big family, where not everyone has to agree with everything, not everyone has to be friend with everyone. But is respecting everyone.
To learn, to grow - and to HAVE FUN :)
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Well said Lover, and I can appreciate your views as well as your words of wisdom. What I do not understand is how analyzing occurs. No one truly knows how he or she will or would react or behave in an unsavory situation until thrust into one for themselves. So to try and speak about others choice on how that unsavory situation is or was dealt with; and making comments on how you yourself would have done this or that or not this or not that isn't a statement that should be made; unless one has gone through it themselves...not watched someone else but themselves gone through. To call this person or any other person who has gone through the unsavory situation names is also not fitting in the positive message you have just sent out, Lover. I fail to see how doing so could ever bring upon the peace and positive atmosphere that is meant to be. It comes more across as fuel to the fire...wishing to fan the fumes if you will and all other who chimed in as well. I am not here to excuse my behavior not at all nor do I feel any wrong other than I should not have made it public. I feel very vindicated in my feelings and will continue to do so. I do not see where making posts and trying to analyze me or my feelings is helpful either, if you wish to know something anything for that matter about me; I have no qualms in helping you understand. But do not think or assume that you know anything about me simply by that posts or others misinformation about me. I am the ONLY one here that knows me best. So with that being said I hope we all can go back to having fun and busting many nuts! Have a good evening :)
LeighDeeXXX
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The topic is about relationships in general.
No individuals or their relationships or their behaviour is mentioned specifically unless they themselves volunteer it.
People usually speak from their own experiences and have every right to do so.
No one is analyising you. This topic is not directed at you. Its about relationships in general.
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I was analyzed before the topic came up and it did so out of my reaction to something unsavory.
Not once did I say no one should be allowed to post their opinions, clearly it was never said not by me.
The topic started off as respect and some how was flipped to relationships; with a chart to try and explain ones views, about what they felt goes on here; and the time they have been a member. So it does seem a bit coincidental that all of this "relationship" topics came about the same time I openly and publically posted my views and feelings. As I have mentioned in my upper post...I regret not handling it in a private manner and the fact that I was called names that I too regret but will and have gotten over it. And with that being said I wish everyone a blessed day and bust many nuts! :)
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And I moderated accordingly so this would not occur in public. If you want to continue this PM me
Meanwhile back to topic please.
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The topic is about relationships in general.
No individuals or their relationships or their behaviour is mentioned specifically unless they themselves volunteer it.
I can not agree with this statement. The topic may no longer mention certain names, but the players involved are still in the foreground; whether you want to admit it or not.
I agree with Leigh on the issue that this topic is coincidentally started right after a recent incident between two members. It is poorly timed, and should have not been started in the first place. People are free to discuss any subject they wish, but in this case it comes at the cost of putting our relationship and recent disputes under the microscope.
Had this Topic been presented later down the road I would not take any offense. Personally, I simply wish this was a stand alone thread that would have been CLOSED by now.
I know perhaps I am may be adding to the problem rather then helping, but I could no longer stand ideally by and say nothing while this topic was being discussed.
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You know what I quit.
I am sick to death of petty squabbles and no respect to other members or the Moderators who work hard to try and make this place fun.
You have the forum you deserve.
I out of here.
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Respect is something everyone can demand and has to give too!
We all are here to have fun. Everyone on his own style and as he/she wishes, as long as you don't attack, offend or judge other. And of course, as long as you don't act against TOS.
Respect is a word which is spoken easy. But having respect for other sometimes can be very hard. Maybe because we don't like what they are doing or how they are doing something. Maybe we don't like the words they use. Sometimes just because we don't understand the meaning of their words - what did the writer (the sender of the message) want to say?
Then it's on us to check our reaction. If we are upset, we better wait to answer. Maybe ask first - what do you mean? Do I understand you right?
We can agree with someone's opinion. Respect is easy then. Or we can disagree with someone's opinion. This is the point when respect begins. Respecting other relations means, not trying to go between them. For this, first you have to know they are in a relation. Either from opening your eyes or becausethey tell you. If you, knowing they are spoused or exclusive, try to seduce them, it's on them to tell you "Stop". So long, so good. Nothing bad has happened. If you still continue, you lose respect. Simple but true.
Respect also ends, when it comes to personal attacks or offending. This, and just this, we mods never will accept or tolerate. Not because we don't like it, but it's bad for a good atmosphere in forum. Tell me I'm wrong, but I believe we mods (and almost everybody else too) always respected oher's opinion. We never judged or harmd other lifestyles. As long as I'm mod here, this also never will happen.
We also make sure, we respect you as person, even when we have to edit or remove a post. This is just for the common sense and doesn't mean you're a bad person. We just refer to one single action you're doing. In this moment we judge the behave, never the person. This is respect too.
Tolerance is another term in this context. Being more tolerant is the ONLY way to get all these different people under one hat. Everybody, including me, has to learn to be tolerant. Step back, think about, say "not what i like, but it doesn't affect me". Smile - done.
Intolerance is not just the opposite of tolerance. It's saying "I am right and you are wrong. You, as person, are wrong. You are bad, because you're not living the way I do." Here, in this forum, there is no place for this attitude. You can stay and learn to be tolerant or you can go.
I always will stand for free speech. For respect. For tolerance. Join me. Let's make it a place for a strong community. Let's make it a place for a big family, where not everyone has to agree with everything, not everyone has to be friend with everyone. But is respecting everyone.
To learn, to grow - and to HAVE FUN :)
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Heated words were said.Maybe some of the things said both in public or private were justified..maybe some of them weren't.
At this point, after having settled down myself I express regret for having been a cause for Brandy's sudden departure.
Hope you change your mind.
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@ Leighdee, hukk:
In no way my post was referring to you both. The opposite is true. My intention was, to get a general discussion about repsect, tolerance and consideration. For this forum, but also for life in general. I believe, this attitude and an honest but also fair communication is they key to a good together. Obviously I failed and you think, I was talking about you. I apologize. Please read my post againm having this new background.
It's good to have this discussion topic. Maybe here we can concentrate the storm, which otherwise would have been in more topics. Here we can talk about the forum and us. No game, no events, no funny stuff is disturbing. Just the passion of our hearts (and sometimes tounges). It shows, we're alive and it's important for us. So look ahead, think of how you want to be treated and how you should treat others. Post your opinion in the same way you would talk to your friends and beloved people. Sometimes wait a few minutes - things said in rage can hurt a lot and even if you regret it afterwards, it's said (written).
I know, together we will sail the storm and reach Sunny Island. Stronger tha before. Little wiser than before. Smiling :)
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@ Leighdee, hukk:
In no way my post was referring to you both. The opposite is true. My intention was, to get a general discussion about repsect, tolerance and consideration. For this forum, but also for life in general. I believe, this attitude and an honest but also fair communication is they key to a good together. Obviously I failed and you think, I was talking about you. I apologize. Please read my post againm having this new background.
Lover I didn't think you were just speaking to me, I did feel it was to all who were involved or who felt some type of way. I didn't take anything you said to be hurtful; just the opposite was felt about your post. I read it as being informative as well as what it was meant to do and that is clear the air...its actually all the other "fluff" that came and went around the original post that really is the issue with me.
It's good to have this discussion topic. Maybe here we can concentrate the storm, which otherwise would have been in more topics. Here we can talk about the forum and us. No game, no events, no funny stuff is disturbing. Just the passion of our hearts (and sometimes tounges). It shows, we're alive and it's important for us. So look ahead, think of how you want to be treated and how you should treat others. Post your opinion in the same way you would talk to your friends and beloved people. Sometimes wait a few minutes - things said in rage can hurt a lot and even if you regret it afterwards, it's said (written).
I know, together we will sail the storm and reach Sunny Island. Stronger than before. Little wiser than before. Smiling :)
I think you are on to something here, and it is a good way to clear the air with respect and tact; without repercussions or ill wills for ones feelings or opinions. This would be totally awesome. I am all for a Sunny Island :)
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Respect others
I wold like to discuss this about respecting exclusive relationships and couples on Achat.
I know that this is a Virtual Sex Games but I would like some of you to know who I feel about it
yes its all sex fantasies with consenting adults partner, not all are consenting just because its a sex game dose not
mean all have the same life style sure we can post but when you know it will start a conflict and you name a person
why posted it to trigger a reaction ? of cures there is going to be a reaction... and then this disterbes the friendly
places we have here ....I ask that before you post something and it has to name others that it be consenting ..
And also that we learn to respected each other and life style we have many members with different customs beliefs
its a sex game but its a consenting one, ask think before you post
Let me say few words.......
Rocxxy, dear, your subject have a vaste implications and if you wrote "let's talk about respect Others", it sound more like you want to point the attention on the conflict we have here in forum recenttly, most then about "respect esclusive relationship", or this is what everyone can think just reading the red title. but this change when you continue to read your post and then, immediately the theme is more clear, so i'd like to ask you to be more clear when you post a title for a discussion, just to don't cause some mistaken.
After this, let me say something about this: in the three years i was here, i met 4 persons very important for me and if i never forced them to establish an esclusive relationship, the time with them was wonderfull, eccept one case, with a man which pretend i was Always ready just for him at any time. poor boy, now he is in my ignore! ::)
Why i never ask for esclusive relationship!? simple, i can be online only in late evening, so why i have to force the people I care to wait me in a bored mood!? i don't care if they have fun with others here in AChat, not till i know their feeling for me are not fake!
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@ Lover
Don't worry Lover, we didn't take offense with anything you said, along with the other members who provided harmless commentary (most of which likely didn't even know the background behind the topic) . I point to HB's post as an explanation to why I felt bothered by the topic.
Thanks for the help and for trying to keep things together.
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From what I see the Moderators work hard here for very little in return.
And to try and publicly humiliate any one of them, you should be ashamed of yourselves. If they ask you do to something, I suggest there is a very good reason for it and usually is because they know more than they publish in public in a dispute.
Ironic really that this is a topic about respect and yet very little has been shown.
They are Moderators for a reason and due respect should be shown to them. They make decisions for Forum for the good of forum. If you have a problem, then use the PM facility.
I am shocked and disgusted by the behaviour here.
And ask yourself this when you decide to answer me, no doubt. What do you do for forum compared to the Moderators ? Probably very little I suggest.
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I've been reading watching the forum for some time .
I see all the hard work the Moderators have invest there time in it
and I Respect this.
My philosophy is that true respect is earned, not bestowed
Zoerink said: well said
respect persons, couples, groups, ethnics, religions, gender, sexual orientation...
I would add opines ....
I like the Discussion that is going on at the moment about Respect.
I understand that is about Respecting Each Other, exclusive relationships
and couples and respected each other life style we have many members with different customs beliefs
I saw the fine print and did not take sides , I read every post carefully to understand it
with my views
I do not like the way respect is not given to each other here lately, we are all humans with feeling
being a Moderator or a Member.
To my awareness I have seen a lot of different views in the forum, my respect to some moderation
some I do not agree with, that its not hard to avoid not looking at it to make my own conclusion to what's going on .
Perhaps it is me only but it seems to me that people are just not as respectful as they used to be.
I see a lot of post that are not so friendly and positive.
This is a positive friendly community for Achat members to come meet and share ideas and have fun
“Show proper respect to everyone.”
We have to keep in mind that there are members that come from different countries and
other culture and customs and that everyone has a way of expressing themselves as best they can their way.
We should respect them as how they express themselves with their grammar and watch what we say with our words to.
To make them feelwelcome and they can share there ideas .
On exclusive relationships I respect this to their wishes, to me exclusive say it all.
Nothing more to add . every one has there way they see it in there own relationship
On lifestyle every one has there own way they live it. I respected this .
I respect others on their post as long as it dose not harm and are respectful .
I respect that Sexual advances should be consenting and welcome by partners .
Let us all with decency respect each other and make this a fun place with Respect for all.
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My own thoughs:
Respect is something you can demand but not pretend, at least you can learn it form others but you must be the first one showing you respect others. Recently, i had seen comments and request that doesn't fit the essence of respect and that hurt me a lot, not as moderator of the forum but as human being. I'm speachless for what happend here recently and it clearly show me that ,most of us talk of respect but didn't know what really it is, so i'll ask you all (me too!) to take a break and think to what happend and re-read the words recently carved on this forum and ask to your self: "Am I showing respect to the others!? And are they doing the same!?"
Only after this, we can go back to the nice atmosphere we actual mods (and the one before us!) have always try to create!
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first and foremost lets look at the dictionary definition of respect!
A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements:
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the director had a lot of respect for Douglas as an actor
hmm seems it isn't given but EARNED!!!
ok what i do find humorous is those that PREACH respect of others seem to have a sparsity of that very same respect of those who opinines differ from theirs.
so basicly i say to all practice what you preach or STFU
hypocrisy and deceit seem to be the two attributes i find in abundance here !
as opposed to respect honesty and acceptance of other peoples opines and peccadilloes.
just my thoughts
oh and lack of loyalty
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From what I see the Moderators work hard here for very little in return.
And to try and publicly humiliate any one of them, you should be ashamed of yourselves. If they ask you do to something, I suggest there is a very good reason for it and usually is because they know more than they publish in public in a dispute.
Ironic really that this is a topic about respect and yet very little has been shown.
They are Moderators for a reason and due respect should be shown to them. They make decisions for Forum for the good of forum. If you have a problem, then use the PM facility.
I am shocked and disgusted by the behaviour here.
And ask yourself this when you decide to answer me, no doubt. What do you do for forum compared to the Moderators ? Probably very little I suggest.
Right beside you there Stone
Respect is indeed earned...our Mods have a difficult task and deserved a moment of pause of self reflection before responding to them. What is needed is a touch of grace... the capacity to show consideration and thoughtfulness in responses, even in a storm of differing opinions.
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I have been feeling very offended by a lot that has been said to me
I never meant anybody any harm
My opinion gets easily turned around
because I have difficulty writing
it is very hard for me to write proper English it is my second language so
maybe its hard to understand
I start this discussion to say there is a lot of disrespect
I thought about many areas but mostly it was about how I feel sometimes, and
I was making sure I did not name anyone not to point anyone out
in my first post.
I have seen disrespect in many posts including posts aimed to me
and wanted to call attention to people to respect each other more
I never meant any harm to anyone
To me respect means being kind to each other understanding the opines even if they are not agreeing what we like
I started a few threads and noticed that unfortunately my hopes for them were not met and went of topic
I was offended and felt it was a posts to started a conflicts I asked that they be removed they offend me my wishes where not met.that post was uncalled for If you don't like my opine and thought why go post something that go's against my desires for it .
I like to open some treads that done have any thing to do with sexual theme. I like to stay positive encouraging and uplifting .Not that I aginst
this but I like to have others ideas thoughts that have nothing to do with sex ....I like a word for it maybe it s option of choice
I would like this Respect met .To me there are many threads open to post your wishes as long as the description is met as how they started
the thread and wishes ...
In the past I posted and did not read the title of there wishes after I found out I removed them out respect for there wishes ......
For now I closed one for the moment .... 1 is privet for me only
as many others have some closed . I will describe more to make it easy to understand it more but will will take time
then I will open them soon ...
I like what this person said
Quote :by a member
well, for one who rarely posts, I got a few pointers to make... I always believed this forum is always very friendly and is a very good place to meet new people and friends... in regards to that, one must take notice that everyone is different here... what may appeal to another person might not necessarily appeal to you.... if you see a post or thread which you don't like, you can either ignore it and walk away or give feedback in a positive way..
in this case here, I really think its not proper to post a pic on this and say " no chance in hell" when roxxy clearly shows shes offended by that pic... that is not positive at all and doesn't seem like a post one of humor... be positive and friendly, if that doesn't work out, then please work it outside the forums
I hope we can all work together and have fun with consideration for others wishes
staying positive encouraging each other :)
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I want to to say on respecting exclusive relationships when I said this it was
meant to say how I feel about it ..
I may be old fashion but to me my self when I am in a relationship I like to respect
my partner the way I was raised up, this to me is how I feel about it, and I was talking about myself . I love my partner and
I would not want to hurt him this is how I show my love for him...
I do not flirt with any men out respect for him ,
not because, we don't trust each other but because this is my lifestyle custom of how I was raised up
I do not like
how when I turn on the game I get many sexually and verbally rude come on's from men that are not welcome .To me I don't like men
disrespecting me this way. I tell them and some take it well some do not understand this
this is why I said that even if its a sex virtual fantasies base game, It has to come with a consenting adults partner's with agreement.
and I don't consenting to there come on's..
this gave me a idea that I will post soon,that might help with this..
I am not here to judge criticize or give advice on others, relationships I know we all have different way's of seeing it
and every relationships is is different and unique in its way...
If I don't like it I will say it in a PM ...
I just hope you can understand me and
I would like this respected on my opine about the way I feel about it...
and I will respected the way you see your If I am doing something
that is offending or you cant understand it,or you like to discuss it pm, me so we can work it out
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Well done everyone. We have successfully driven off the moderator who did the most work here in the forum. Who's next? Jayc must be wondering what he's gotten himself into. I wouldn't touch that job with a 10 foot cattle prod. It seems folks have forgotten that she is a person first, an AChat player second and a VOLUNTEER moderator third.
I personally want to thank Brandybee for all her hard work and dedication to this "Forum Village". For me, she made this forum one of my favorite places to visit on the Web, and that includes when I had my own personal problems here. She always added a cheery word and her positive outlook made a difference to my AChat Forum experience. I sincerely hope that she will at least continue to post and stay in this "village", though I wouldn't blame her one bit if she didn't.
Now, if any afflicted egos want to attack me for this post, have at it.
Getting back to the topic of respect. On a personal note, I've lost a lot of respect for some folks that I once held in high esteem.
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A few days have gone, everybody had the chance to calm down and think about what has happened. Not just in this topic, this was just the top of an iceberg. Many little fires started lately and some members felt pissed off. I can tell you, also we mods were.
HB was attacked and most of all Brandy. Why? Because she did what we don't like, but have to. If you're a member for a while, you know we are very careful before we edit or remove posts. It's our latest decision and we never take it easy. We stand for free speech, different opinions and diversity of beliefs, culture and personal preferences. Believe me, we're happier than you,if we don't have "to mod". Sometimes we have to do it, though we might agree with you. But our private opinions may not be in foreground, eg when members are arguing or when you act against TOS of AChat, like critizing them in a bad way. Usually you make it easy for us, as it's a friendly and respectful forum. The best I know.
We love to say, it's not you and we, but us together. After all also we are just members and, last but not least, human persons.
This was not just forgotten, but she was blamed for doing her job. She was doing it not for her personal satisfaction, but to mediate and to keep the forum on track. It's normal, then and when two or more members have a discussion and we accept it. But we CAN'T accept attacks, offending or threatening. So Brandy always was there to listen to you. To deal with a lot of crap. She is spending her time for you. She is caring for everything. Games, events, contest, funny wagers and if you need any help. Yes, she alone isn't the forum, it's every single member.
But if you honestly ask yourself who is the good force behind this all, you will get just one name.
We always knew, it's a thankless task very often. If pack is attacking itself and you try to help, usually you are blamed in the end. But we're doing it, because we love what we're doing. It's a heartfelt wish.
You should know, if one mod is doing something, the other mods know and agree. Attacking one of us means, attacking all of us. The last weeks have shown, we have to be more strict. Unfortunately some can't handle the freedom they have got here.
I hoped, with days passing by, least oneperson would come and apologize. I did expect too much obviously. Did you even read her sentence? Did you reflect about what has happened? Did you just one moment think "oh, I have my part in it too and I see I was wrong?"
I can't even imagine a forum without Brandy. Maybe there will be a thing called "forum". But it only would be an empty case. I will fight for her with all of my heart. With or without you. I also admit, I prefer with you.
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I was out of town whilst all of this cracked off, however I have now had a chance to catch up.
First thing I would like to say is Brandybee has my full, unwavering support for her actions and decisions she made. On face value, if you are on the receiving end of a decision you dont like, I can guarantee she has made t for the good of forum and keeping in mind the right of free speech we try to advocate. We do not tolerate abuse to members ever and if you have been the giver of such abuse, you will receive strongly worded PMs leaving you in no doubt the stance of this forum and the moderators together. To then try and bring this up for public debate is quite frankly silly and childish.
I have known Brandy a long time, she can be forthright but I have also found her very fair. She will not mix her words if she thinks you are wrong. , I like that about her, You know exactly where you stand. To me, that is a good quality in a Moderator.
Many of you probably dont know this, but she receives many complaints and queries from the game and here in forum which she deals with almost on a daily basis. Most are resolved, the ones that cant be are usually because the parties concerned do not take the advice on offer.
I personally admire and respect her as a person, a player and a Moderator. We have worked together on stories and on contests. She works tirelessly for the Forum village sometimes under very difficult circumstances when people presume; they are the only person she is dealing with.
To then publically disrespect her or anyone as a person or a Moderator is inappropriate. If you have any issues, you can PM any of us and your problem will be dealt with accordingly.
I make a personal plea to Brandybee to return and as a Moderator. I am a junior Mod but wish to continue working with you as a Moderator and as a friend. This place will not be the same without you here.
“Be a Love” ;D ;D ;D Brandy and RECONSIDER
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:-[ I am pretty sure even I couldn't have chased off brandy... jesus people
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Covems suggestion:
If
you found out for certain there is a Heaven and a Hell,
how would you change your life?
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It's a very interesting question Cove! I've thought about it a while and I don't think I would change anything. I live my life, following a simple rule: Treat everyone as you want to be treated.
I know, I don't do everything I right, I sometimes hurt people and I fail then and when. But isn't this what is called life?
Aren't we human and not robots? We make mistakes and sometimes these mistakes are bad for ourselfes or, what's worse, for other people. Sometimes it happens, because we don't know all the facts. Sometimes it happens because we make the wrong conclusions. And sometimes it happens, because we think A is better for us than B. Would it mean to be supposed to live in hell? I don't think so.
There is another question for me. Would it really mean, to live in heaven or hell AFTER we died? Or could it mean, our life would be like heaven or hell. If bad things happen to us, if we live a life in the dark, if we get ill... could this be the hell, just we get it while we're still alive? Can we live our life like heaven, if we are "good" people? (whatever this is). Is being happy the same as being in heaven?
If we talk about this, we also should discuss about another question: Is our life predetermined? Is there fate? Is there really the opnion of free choices? (Some scientists who research the brain doubt...). But if we don't have a choice, would it be fair to have heaven and hell? Oh.. fair? Is there fairness in life? Do we get what we give or deserve?
IF we know, there is Heaven and HEll, would we still be able to make decisions and do anything at all? Or would we stuck in asking all the time, what we have to do now to get to heaven? Oh my, I'm happy to answer your question for myself: There is heaven and hell, but it's on earth - in our lifetime. And if we follow the simple rule, treat other as you want to be treated, we will be in heaven. Now :)
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Funny thing i looked at my life many years ago
and yes i done things im not proud of but overall
im happy with the life i have lived
i follow my code - honour truth and fairness to all
yes some i corrected but i can honestly say they deserved what they recieved
there are many others i let slide just circumstances saved them i guess
i let the big guy do as he sees fit with me
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If
you found out for certain there is a Heaven and a Hell,
how would you change your life?
I always thought there was. So there's nothing I would change, maybe a few wishes that people / pets who touched my life stayed around longer.
I'd like to think that St Peter would let me in the Pearly Gates but I might have to sit in the naughty corner for awhile. Bet I'd get passed him eventually though, he'd be fed up of me asking him if he had voted yet in the Erotic Story Contest ;D ;D ;D
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This fall i was hospitalized for a week with a major health issue, laying there i had lots of time to reflect on my life. Yes there are things i have done that im not proud of, but we all have. given the chance to change things? No......i would not change a thing. I like the concept of Karma.
Good intent and good deed contribute to good karma and future happiness, while bad intent and bad deed contribute to bad karma and future suffering.
A nice concept, and good way to lead you life :)
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If
you found out for certain there is a Heaven and a Hell,
how would you change your life?
Not a single bit. I believe that if heaven and hell are afterwards, you will be judged by the actions that come from your heart, not the one that come from force, fear or desire. I believe that you cannot buy your way into a better afterlife, just because you follow the laws of (insert preferred deity). Rather, I think that those actions you did out of your free will are the only ones that matter.
And, if the only reason that I would be sent to hell is that I do not believe in the deity of power, even though I have lived a life that made far more people happy than sad because I choose it, than I do not care wherever I end up since it is all a sham anyway.
I believe in the good of people hearts and generally return this same kindness. That should be enough.
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All that matters is LOVE. Lucifer and his fallen know there is a Heaven and Hell.
They believe in Jesus Christ, but they do not obey him, for they have not love and are filled with rebellion and hate.
We, like them, also rebel, but we have a capacity for love and compassion.
If you do what is right for the sake of reward or where you will spend eternity,
Then you did not do it out of love, but out of selfish reasons and your reward will be of such.
But to be kind, generous, and charitable with no assurance of reward; to do good for goodness sake alone,
this is a matter of love... and of Faith.
So NO, I would not be different because of that knowledge.
At least I hope not, because Integrity is what we do when no one is watching.
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I was raised to believe that there is a Heaven and a Hell. Those values are part of my being, part of my soul as it were.
As a direct answer, I want to say that I would not change my life. As Lover answered, I've always lived by the Golden Rule. "Do unto other as you would have done unto you."
That and I have a couple of kids to finish raising. I have always tried to instill into them what was given to me, and that is the sense of right and wrong. I always know when I'm doing something wrong, because I feel guilt and later remorse. That is the best I can do for them, because it will be up to them to live their lives. Sure I can help out with advice and even with finances, but I can not live it for them.
When I'm home in Montana and up on that mountain with the sun setting and all the colors of the rainbow in the sky, and it's peaceful and quiet with only the sounds of nature around me, THAT my friends to me, is Heaven.
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If
you found out for certain there is a Heaven and a Hell,
how would you change your life?
I always thought there was. So there's nothing I would change, maybe a few wishes that people / pets who touched my life stayed around longer.
I'd like to think that St Peter would let me in the Pearly Gates but I might have to sit in the naughty corner for awhile. Bet I'd get passed him eventually though, he'd be fed up of me asking him if he had voted yet in the Erotic Story Contest ;D ;D ;D
In my early 40's i sat and looked back on my life,
yeah i have done things that were not the smart choices
yeah i have hurt many
it is all a part of growing up
but when it was all said and done
i was happy with the man i had grown up to be
your opinion of me counts for 4/5ths of fuck all
if there is an afterlife i will stand with my head held high
and take whatever is dished out, good or bad
Its been that way all my life
i live by my code
wont change for anything or anyone
Judge not another lest you be judged
pass not judgement unless you know ALL the facts
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If
you could have one person you have lost touch with
call you up tonight and invite you to dinner
who would you want it to be?
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Covems suggestion:
If
you found out for certain there is a Heaven and a Hell,
how would you change your life?
I was going to post before you changed this
There is a Heaven and hell and
Heaven and hell will never go side by side...
If you are Lucky to be in Heaven you will feel a transformation a change , new thought entered your mind
in heaven you are in the presence of GOD and nothing impure can come near him all gets washed all is perfected
at his side you feel the love the peace the joy there is no illnesses pains hurts that is not of GOD
all the all the sickness illness paints hurts come from hell as he wants to keep you bound and chained so you don't know the truth
there is change but its long to explain it
There is Change and you will feel it ...
even people that don't reach heaven, have change people always grow we are always changing always growing
and we all see it in creation in many ways can be in other's in nature in acts words this is so deep to talk about .
For me I would like you all to feel what heaven feels like then you will Understand me , for know you dont and will not Understand me
but its ok with me I leave you all with peace and I hope that some of you will reach what real heave feels like you will never feel the same when you reach it there ........
Hell is real to
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If
you could have one person you have lost touch with
call you up tonight and invite you to dinner
who would you want it to be?
SH. I would love to know how he is, what's going on in his life and how Starbrite is doing.
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When I was a kid I met a lady she was so cool her name was Kitty she had kids we played with
Kitty is gone know to heaven . I moved to and lost touch with them a long time ago I really world like to find them
and see how Cory , Sara , Craig turned out .. I say Cory as I was a tomboy I did not have many girl as friends
I had guy friends sports and all the guy things where more fun to me :)
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What will men do?
;D
If All women are removed from earth tomorrow How will they live? What do they have to live for? what will happen?
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$15,000 for killing such an elephant as below, less than 3%of that goes back into conservation.
Tourism to see such elephants will get that money back from a family of 4 in 2 weeks!!
Zimbabwe - Stop killing your fucking wild life and lining your own pockets.
Look at these fucking idiots... Guy on the right is the German Hunter who shot that Elephant that was 40 to 60 years old...
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Remember this idiot Dentist from Minnesota on the left...
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Its wrong. Its not conservation. Its about money.
Sad thing is, these animals can be left alive & you will get so much more money from tourism.
Shoot them with a camera not a gun / rifle.
I'm angry, I'm reacting, I care for what generations could lose in the future ... I'm venting.. I have red hair...
Of course, its open to discussion... Legal Poaching ... Ban It I say.
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Joking aside, I don't get Trophy hunters ... the animals they hunt are mostly endangered and under threat by poachers, predators and the elements.
There's no need to do this. Its wrong. You trophy hunters ARE spoiling the world for the rest of us. Stop being selfish, see the damage you are doing and go do some good with the money you can so obviously waste ... like helping with vaccines, the fight against ebola etc...
That's worth photographing - a smiling child instead of the carcass you stand next to...
You should hang your head in shame.