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Organizations & Events => Groups & Families => Topic started by: TG_Chaser on January 04, 2015, 10:27:06 AM
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-Encouraging their subs to delete users (mostly male) who have personal gripes with the masters of the house.
-Encouraging gift begging/whoring on the part of their subs as opposed to simply allowing it
-Showing disregard for Achat members outside the BDSM community by having rules regarding "slave permissions" which do not extend to non-slaves.
-Rules which violate basic human rights such as "subs" not being allowed to remove tags without permission
-Founders failure to adhere to their own standards, insisting upon a higher morality outside the house
These are all things that isolate members of these groups, making it difficult for them to make friends outside of the group, as well as making it difficult or even hazardous in my case to befriend people inside these groups.
I have had 3 cases where a person went through with deleting me from their friends list based on an order from a master. I have had cases where whoring was maliciously targeted at me, as in the gift beggars took actions against me such as complaining to their masters in order to get me shitlisted or attempting to coerce mutual friends themselves to delete me, these people were not dealt with by house leaders and encouraged in both cases. Most recent was one of the 3 in which a girl deleted me from her friends list and ignore listed me with no apparent reason other than the fact that she acquired a slave tag over the same night in which she deleted me.
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I normally don`t post on the forum but your Topic does Intrest Me,First off when You TG_Chasher started this program you gifted women by A$ now men also can be gifted ,seems Your beef is not with this Home but of you not being a man but acting like a child.
very few women dont ask for gifts it is not your idea subs are made to beg for gifts.Have you ever just thought that they needed a gift not all subs beg gifts or as you say prostatution it was here way before you that men giftd women. subs are not mindless nor stupid. ever think you were put on ignore because of your childish bullshit or because you had to gift for a pitty fuck?And before you even think it I am not a member of the HDSR but I would like to thank them for thier well behaved subs. Remember TG as you get older people will treat you as you act be it child or adult[/b]][/color]
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far as I know nowhere is that it is prohibited or your girls to have under one roof to organiesieren. plus it's better this way for others to read where or who their master. also which sub does not feel safe if it knows belongs where?
but it also does not mean the same time, the all will be forced to do so. clearly there's some people here that are not popular,not like other master or Mistresses. but every girl decides monument to himself, who wants to have it on his list or.
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Girl holds most of the blame yes, but the fact that she was asked to delete me was unethical. She didn't appear to be angry or frustrated with me, I have a good memory and chat logs. The friends deletion coincided with her adding the HDSR tags as if she was told to delete me.
I know a few things, one of them is that this isn't the first time they pulled unethical shit on me as a HOUSE and not just individuals fucking with me. Another is that they do not prefer to recruit guys as they get jealous, and there are a lot of males on this game who have been abused for different reasons in similar ways by this house.
I also kind of think this is an exploitative way to play the game, many of the girls I've seen join this house were undergoing emotional trauma as they joined the house, so at least in a few cases there's been emotional leverage held over these girls, a couple times financial from what I heard too. The point is that there should be no conditions to join the club, you know people can't legally agree to slavery and making them do anything as a condition to join is tantamount to blackmail. Even if the only leverage is that they would like to be submissive steadily, its a relationship not ownership.
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I quote
" Based on several disturbing emails I have received from various women on
FetLife.com and CollarMe.com, there seems to be many, many men online
who call themselves “Doms” but really they are only misogynist who want
to physically/emotionally abuse women and then sexually use them
in the name of “BDSM or Domination”.
End quote
In my personal experience those who must dominate their sexual
partners are compensating for a real life lack of power and control
in their real life, controlling others in who they associate with,
talk to, how they interact with others, Is nothing more than
MENTAL ABUSE akin to physical abuse in a relationship
Common assumptions about people who participate in BDSM
are that they psychologically anxious and maladjusted;
that they are acting out a past history of sexual abuse;
and that they are attempting to compensate for sexual difficulties.
in fact in a dom / sub relationship it is the SUB who actually
has the power and the dom is dependant on the subs permission
for their sexual pleasure
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Mod-edit by Lover: I didn't change any post, just the title. The name was changed to aid an informative discussion
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I quote
" Based on several disturbing emails I have received from various women on
FetLife.com and CollarMe.com, there seems to be many, many men online
who call themselves “Doms” but really they are only misogynist who want
to physically/emotionally abuse women and then sexually use them
in the name of “BDSM or Domination”.
End quote
In my personal experience those who must dominate their sexual
partners are compensating for a real life lack of power and control
in their real life, controlling others in who they associate with,
talk to, how they interact with others, Is nothing more than
MENTAL ABUSE akin to physical abuse in a relationship
Common assumptions about people who participate in BDSM
are that they psychologically anxious and maladjusted;
that they are acting out a past history of sexual abuse;
and that they are attempting to compensate for sexual difficulties.
in fact in a dom / sub relationship it is the SUB who actually
has the power and the dom is dependant on the subs permission
for their sexual pleasure
Helps with my point. Sure I could walk away going "yeah she chose to delete me her loss" for the 3rd time, I can name 3 girls this happened with and the only reason I'm not is because that's unfair to them and I kind of see them as victims of this. I've been arguing as to the fact they HAD to choose is wrong, but I know so many self-respecting girls who would tell someone to fuck off at a request to delete a friend like that. Can't help but think that these girls they've added have been emotionally beaten down by circumstances on this game and are willing to join clubs like these at any cost out of desperation for community.
Either way in all 3 cases these girls had no problems with me, they deleted me under grounds that I'm some kind of enemy to the house. The reason I'm an enemy is pretty fucking laughable considering the drama has been started by a member in each case.
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Quote from: AusWoody on January 04, 2015, 07:23:09 PM
I quote
" Based on several disturbing emails I have received from various women on
FetLife.com and CollarMe.com, there seems to be many, many men online
who call themselves “Doms” but really they are only misogynist who want
to physically/emotionally abuse women and then sexually use them
in the name of “BDSM or Domination”.
End quote
In my personal experience those who must dominate their sexual
partners are compensating for a real life lack of power and control
in their real life, controlling others in who they associate with,
talk to, how they interact with others, Is nothing more than
MENTAL ABUSE akin to physical abuse in a relationship
Common assumptions about people who participate in BDSM
are that they psychologically anxious and maladjusted;
that they are acting out a past history of sexual abuse;
and that they are attempting to compensate for sexual difficulties.
in fact in a dom / sub relationship it is the SUB who actually
has the power and the dom is dependant on the subs permission
for their sexual pleasure
Helps with my point. Sure I could walk away going "yeah she chose to delete me her loss" for the 3rd time, I can name 3 girls this happened with and the only reason I'm not is because that's unfair to them and I kind of see them as victims of this. I've been arguing as to the fact they HAD to choose is wrong, but I know so many self-respecting girls who would tell someone to fuck off at a request to delete a friend like that. Can't help but think that these girls they've added have been emotionally beaten down by circumstances on this game and are willing to join clubs like these at any cost out of desperation for community.
Either way in all 3 cases these girls had no problems with me, they deleted me under grounds that I'm some kind of enemy to the house. The reason I'm an enemy is pretty fucking laughable considering the drama has been started by a member in each case.
if you can help this viewpoint, you would have just as much a hate on the House passion & whip cherish and not only to the house HDSR. what you do not do.
because if the name is already there "whip", listed it will be there to make IN USE preferred to girls too shy and docile.
basically means only one thing. you have been sometime, somewhere with your type of bypassed crashed together with one of the top members of this house and banned. and I know your art as you are on the go kominukativ, only too well. just pissed you because some of the girls
treat yourself or have deleted and you now suspect that they have been forced to.
but so far these are all guesses and no facts to prove it. and now try with the help of a public discussion against this house to arrive
and you are referring exclusively related to a house and not to all houses here
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*sigh*
This is how you choose to use your leisure time?
I've always been a firm believer that gifting.. when it's not a gift ..shouldn't exist here.
and telling other people who they can be friends with shouldn't exist here.
However we all play our own way. Make our own choices (even if that choice is to let someone else control us and manipulate us).
Fight the battles you can win ....
and associate yourself with nicer people.
The important thing is if you don't enjoy your time on a game .. then u should either find a new way to play it.. or find a new game.
PS thank you lover for the title change of the post
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AWWWW come on HGO, i truly enjoy a spirited debate.
there entertaining and educational.
So let the debate / discussion run its course :)
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*sigh*
This is how you choose to use your leisure time?
I've always been a firm believer that gifting.. when it's not a gift ..shouldn't exist here.
and telling other people who they can be friends with shouldn't exist here.
However we all play our own way. Make our own choices (even if that choice is to let someone else control us and manipulate us).
Fight the battles you can win ....
and associate yourself with nicer people.
The important thing is if you don't enjoy your time on a game .. then u should either find a new way to play it.. or find a new game.
PS thank you lover for the title change of the post
noone's trying to "win", just bringing things out to the public.
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Just a stupid question>>>>why are all you guys bitchin when everyone of ya`lls profiles has SM in it?
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Just a stupid question>>>>why are all you guys bitchin when everyone of ya`lls profiles has SM in it?
So if one likes SM one likes being targeted and harassed by houses?
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Bravo Roxxy but all BDSM isn't pain or torture . its kind of like sex everyone has their own way of doing it personally I agree I don't care for pain but some do i.e how much pain can you get watching a seen on a computer?
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*scratching my head*
Moderator mode on:
Here the point is not if TG or Others like or dislike BDSM, the question is really different. For him it's about being targeting by the Group who forced (his words) girls who were once his friends or lovers to delete him if they want to join HDSR. And on this, if it's the truth, we all agree it's not a nice line for the HDSR Group, but till now, we don't have the elements to say how thigs effectivily are.
This is a very hot and dangerous thread (IMHO), so please, avoid to make more mess than how much we have here till now and be sure this will be settled soon or later (better soon!). And if you want to talk about how crazy can be someone interressed in BDSM is, please, don't do it here but go and open a new thread or find some old one were you can do that. Thanks!
Moderator mode off.
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EVERYONE can read OUR RULES
http://www.funnyadultgamesplay.com/forum/index.php/topic,2804.msg98144.html#msg98144
http://www.funnyadultgamesplay.com/forum/index.php/topic,2804.0.html
I am DONE with this discussion
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I have read this discussion and have read the rules of the House. I think these rules are unfair to the good of the AChat game overall.
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Rule 7; ANY member found to be recruiting or attempting to STEAL another's slaves will be decollared and booted! Any outside House, entity or individual found to be recruiting or attempting to steal an HDSR slave, thus bringing SHAME on themselves and their own collars.. will have all relationships with all members permanently terminated & be placed on PERMANENT IGNORE by ALL members of HDSR!
Rule 8; ALL slaves and members of HDSR will immediately report to Master Oli, Master Dante, Mistress Amber, Mistress Cherry or Mistress Nicky (CherryTart, Nicola_D) any infractions of the rules!
(( **ALL MEMBERS of HDSR collectively accept that those listed have given sufficient abuse, misconduct towards and/or offence to one or more members of their family, be they Owner, Affiliate or Owned, that they are encouraged to avoid interaction with and Ignore with the rest of us! THIS LIST does not include those who may or may not be IGNORED by individual members of personal insults or just simply not getting along with some of us but getting on well with others! All members may play with whom they wish of course, but those who make the list , most if not all of us are fed up with!**))
**TO PREVENT FLAMING we chose not to publically list these individuals in this forum. House members please see A Master or Mistress for complete lists and helpful hints!**
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This is clearly saying if a member of AChat upsets one of your house, you black list them for all your members.
Personally I think this is wrong and spoils the nature and balance of the AChat game.
Your rules should only be on an individual basis and not as a collective family House. If a person upsets another person, only the persons directly involved should be able to ignore.
What is stopping you taking over AChat. I think this is wrong and should be stopped immediately.
I am with TG on this one or anyone else who has been ignored for no reason by your house.
Please note - My name is not a part of this at all. I am my own person.
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If TG felt targeted and felt the girls where forced ...do you call them friends,..... ?
No one can force any one to do what they don't want to do. They are in a group as they what to join
and you cant force any one to be your friends
I would like to know of any proof that the girls deleted him was to do with the group. Did they break any TOS
or was it him ....... it is still there Choice to ignore.
I see this as a fantasy group with there rules as long as they don't break any Tos
I did not see any bad in
We do NOT CHARGE for sex but HOPE for Gift$ to help the slaves!!
I dont see any thing bad about asking
It is very easy to say NO and Not go to a group where you are not agreeing on
I get targeting all the time I think we all do some time or another
ask me if I care
but I am not going to go post an insulting name to this group. That was so wrong. The title change was the right thing to do.
And no, I am not opening any more new threads, this discussion remains here but there are a lot good ideas from here
and Shewolf I know btw I do like to be tied up a few ways and even spanked ;)
everyone here has there why of how they Enjoy there game
I am also proud to say i'm a sub
to me the meaning of a sub is to respect my Man and adore him alone that's my way .....
have a nice day you all
;D
Moderated by Brandybee to keep the discussion on topic
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Once again, the argument isn't that the were literally forced but that they were coerced into deleting me. Which i mean, its wrong to ask period, other people's friends lists are none of your fucking business, I would argue you're doing something against TOS if you've convinced them it is your business cause you're their "master". You're bordering claims that you have some kind of in game authority which you do not.
Icebox, as for your rules, half your rules contradict TOS and make it look like you guys think you have a right to conquer achat....
" Any outside House, entity or individual found to be recruiting or attempting to steal an HDSR slave, thus bringing SHAME on themselves and their own collars.. will have all relationships with all members permanently terminated & be placed on PERMANENT IGNORE by ALL members of HDSR!"
- You have the right to ignore anyone who offends you on an individual basis, you have the right to discuss people who have offended you with your friends on an individual basis. You do not have the right to administer some kind of informal ban on other members via a "shitlist" in which you probably do not even adequately explain what the accused did or allegedly did. There was no kind of trial in which these people are given opportunity to explain or defend themselves. This shitlist amounts to people you and Amber do not like and decided your slaves are not allowed to talk to, I grudgingly decided that was none of my business until you came into MY friends list and started making people ignore me.
I would like a copy of this list so I can investigate if these people are even there for a good reason, I suggest you also send a copy to all the forum mods as they will probably be aware of other complaints received about these people and could probably discern if its bullshit or not.
"Rule 7; ANY member found to be recruiting or attempting to STEAL another's slaves will be decollared and booted!"
-Complete blatant disregard for people outside of the achat slave trade, you just STOLE one of my friends, maybe you should be decollared and booted hmm?
Moderated by Hentaiboy69 for not so appropriate words
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My last post here,as i told it before i am done with this discussion.
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If TG felt targeted and felt the girls where forced ...do you call them friends,..... ?
No one can force any one to do what they don't want to do. They are in a group as they what to join
and you cant force any one to be your friends
I would like to know of any proof that the girls deleted him was to do with the group. Did they break any TOS
or was it him ....... it is still there Choice to ignore.
I see this as a fantasy group with there rules as long as they don't break any Tos
I did not see any bad in
We do NOT CHARGE for sex but HOPE for Gift$ to help the slaves!!
I dont see any thing bad about asking
It is very easy to say NO and Not go to a group where you are not agreeing on
I get targeting all the time I think we all do some time or another
ask me if I care
but I am not going to go post an insulting name to this group. That was so wrong. The title change was the right thing to do.
And no, I am not opening any more new threads, this discussion remains here but there are a lot good ideas from here
and Shewolf I know btw I do like to be tied up a few ways and even spanked ;)
everyone here has there why of how they Enjoy there game
I am also proud to say i'm a sub
to me the meaning of a sub is to respect my Man and adore him alone that's my way .....
have a nice day you all
;D
Moderated by Brandybee to keep the discussion on topic
I only skimmed because I find your posts hard to follow sometimes, but by "hoping for gifts to help slaves" they mean upon joining they're told to whore themselves out as it turns the masters on or w/e, I don't know the reasoning but thats why its always written like Gift$ in kind of a glittery prose as if it was copied from one source. its not a coincidence, they're encouraged, so my first post saying nurturing and encouraging prostitution is accurate. Personally I think thats a really bad thing for the community but maybe I'm the only one?
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Gonna go down your list
"Rule 2; ONLY Master Oli Stone, Mistress Amber Stone & Master Dante Stone (Master_Stone) may approve and collar a slave, or invite a pet/servant Member into The House of Dark Stone Rising!"
-Confirmed that icebox or amber was behind the friend deletion
"Rule 3; NO slave or Member of HDSR will remove their collar (ie- The HDSR tag) from their bio without discussing their desire to leave with Master Oli, Master Dante and/or Mistress Amber!"
-You can't do shit about that, that rule violates TOS, it also makes your shitlist thing more of a "we own achat" thing instead of a house thing
"Rule 6; ALL members of HDSR will respect and observe the collars of other Houses, entities and Dominants!! At NO time is it permissible to play with another collared slave WITHOUT the permission of their OWNER!!"
-This disregards people outside of the BDSM slave culture, I think having "owners" is stupid to begin with, but this is open for interpretation and obviously a certain master feels he has the right to shit on individuals under no allegiance because they're having sex with his "property" on a sex game.... And seriously, I heard you were talking about me to EVERY mutual lover we ever had, stop doing it, because if you come up in the conversation of course I'm going to tell them all the shit you've been pulling with me in the past year.
"Rule 7; ANY member found to be recruiting or attempting to STEAL another's slaves will be decollared and booted! Any outside House, entity or individual found to be recruiting or attempting to steal an HDSR slave, thus bringing SHAME on themselves and their own collars.. will have all relationships with all members permanently terminated & be placed on PERMANENT IGNORE by ALL members of HDSR!"
-disregard for people outside of bdsm culture again, it claims you have the right to "steal" relationships from people outside of the culture and they cannot retaliate, as there are provisions on if they do it to you but not if you do it to them. in the last year one of your slaves attempted to coerce someone into deleting me, your 2 masters responded to that by ALSO coercing people into deleting me. so yeah all 3 of you should have been kicked out by your own rules.
So pretty much all of your rules are either unethical and rely on people outside of the club behaving with moral superiority to you, or have been broken by your 2 founders..... YUUUP you don't follow your own rules and have the audacity to put out a shit list.... you 2 are the lowest of scum
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We are ALL ADULTS. No one should be controlling anything we do. This is a place for fun & fantasy & BDSM happens to be what does "it" for some people, and it so happens that between the various houses LOTS of members are either Sub/Dom or some combo of the two. I cannot speak for everyone, but I doubt the people I know would even involve themselves in "online sex trafficking" if that's something that can even be done. The game serves a purpose. We all play roles from time to time. Unfortunately, there are some that take that role too serious, or even use it to try and get some people out of their A$. It is sad, but has it been here since the game began? Yes. What can you do short of taking the gifting system away from us completely to stop it? Absolutely nothing. I have friends in the HDSR and yes, my membership in it has been discussed as a possibility. I have NEVER been told to either a)delete someone or b) to demand gifts. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. People delete you because THEY CHOOSE TO and ask you for gifts BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO. Once again, we are all adults and should behave accordingly. If someone isn't, achat provides you with an ignore button.
Kisses,
Dee
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.....everyone forgets that this so called "horrible rules from the house", its for the benifit of the role play,, anyone that has enjoyed the house , they did so by their own free will, and not forced, and they always can say no
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We are ALL ADULTS. No one should be controlling anything we do. This is a place for fun & fantasy & BDSM happens to be what does "it" for some people, and it so happens that between the various houses LOTS of members are either Sub/Dom or some combo of the two. I cannot speak for everyone, but I doubt the people I know would even involve themselves in "online sex trafficking" if that's something that can even be done. The game serves a purpose. We all play roles from time to time. Unfortunately, there are some that take that role too serious, or even use it to try and get some people out of their A$. It is sad, but has it been here since the game began? Yes. What can you do short of taking the gifting system away from us completely to stop it? Absolutely nothing. I have friends in the HDSR and yes, my membership in it has been discussed as a possibility. I have NEVER been told to either a)delete someone or b) to demand gifts. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. People delete you because THEY CHOOSE TO and ask you for gifts BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO. Once again, we are all adults and should behave accordingly. If someone isn't, achat provides you with an ignore button.
Kisses,
Dee
getting really annoying that people dont actually read back before they post... everything you said has been addressed
She was asked, I had no bad blood with the girl in question. She never indicated a hint of hostility towards me, she was asked to delete and ignore me, and it has been PROVEN that there is a shit list.
all evidence points to this happening, it has not been denied by the parties involved, there is evidence, if you asked the girl involved why she did it my guess is its the shit list. being a "member" and being asked to delete people is the entire point, your entire post acts as of you speak from the perspective of one of their slaves when you do not
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For Fucks sake kiss and make up you 2 lmao
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.....everyone forgets that this so called "horrible rules from the house", its for the benifit of the role play,, anyone that has enjoyed the house , they did so by their own free will, and not forced, and they always can say no
and apparently you don't have to follow them... so theres that
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We are ALL ADULTS. No one should be controlling anything we do. This is a place for fun & fantasy & BDSM happens to be what does "it" for some people, and it so happens that between the various houses LOTS of members are either Sub/Dom or some combo of the two. I cannot speak for everyone, but I doubt the people I know would even involve themselves in "online sex trafficking" if that's something that can even be done. The game serves a purpose. We all play roles from time to time. Unfortunately, there are some that take that role too serious, or even use it to try and get some people out of their A$. It is sad, but has it been here since the game began? Yes. What can you do short of taking the gifting system away from us completely to stop it? Absolutely nothing. I have friends in the HDSR and yes, my membership in it has been discussed as a possibility. I have NEVER been told to either a)delete someone or b) to demand gifts. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. People delete you because THEY CHOOSE TO and ask you for gifts BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO. Once again, we are all adults and should behave accordingly. If someone isn't, achat provides you with an ignore button.
Kisses,
Dee
getting really annoying that people dont actually read back before they post... everything you said has been addressed
She was asked, I had no bad blood with the girl in question. She never indicated a hint of hostility towards me, she was asked to delete and ignore me, and it has been PROVEN that there is a shit list.
all evidence points to this happening, it has not been denied by the parties involved, there is evidence, if you asked the girl involved why she did it my guess is its the shit list. being a "member" and being asked to delete people is the entire point, your entire post acts as of you speak from the perspective of one of their slaves when you do not
Even if it has been addressed, I can still give my 2 cents. The point is, is if everyone behaved as an adult these types of issues wouldn't exist. I don't know about your situation in particular...its not my business. I was speaking about the BIGGER PICTURE. And if there is this shit list, then SO WHAT? All of this is online! If people want to be childish, let them! All I'm saying its people make their own choices...and I highly doubt anyone lets someone they met on a sex site control their actions in real life.
Love & Peace
Dee
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yeah i guess i can always just quit the game instead of trying to solve my problems ::)
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yeah i guess i can always just quit the game instead of trying to solve my problems ::)
You have that option too....
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Quote from: icebox on Today at 06:35:25 PM
.....everyone forgets that this so called "horrible rules from the house", its for the benifit of the role play,, anyone that has enjoyed the house , they did so by their own free will, and not forced, and they always can say no
Oli the problem is your house 'rules' affect players outside of your house.
You can't really just throw your hands in the air and say you've had enough of the conversation without first accepting that this game isn't "the HOS" it's "Achat". If you are consciously choosing to ruin game play or hurt people outside your house then you should be held accountable.
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If TG felt targeted and felt the girls where forced ...do you call them friends,..... ?
No one can force any one to do what they don't want to do. They are in a group as they what to join
and you cant force any one to be your friends
I would like to know of any proof that the girls deleted him was to do with the group. Did they break any TOS
or was it him ....... it is still there Choice to ignore.
I see this as a fantasy group with there rules as long as they don't break any Tos
I did not see any bad in
We do NOT CHARGE for sex but HOPE for Gift$ to help the slaves!!
I dont see any thing bad about asking
It is very easy to say NO and Not go to a group where you are not agreeing on
I get targeting all the time I think we all do some time or another
ask me if I care
but I am not going to go post an insulting name to this group. That was so wrong. The title change was the right thing to do.
And no, I am not opening any more new threads, this discussion remains here but there are a lot good ideas from here
and Shewolf I know btw I do like to be tied up a few ways and even spanked ;)
everyone here has there why of how they Enjoy there game
I am also proud to say i'm a sub
to me the meaning of a sub is to respect my Man and adore him alone that's my way .....
have a nice day you all
;D
Moderated by Brandybee to keep the discussion on topic
I only skimmed because I find your posts hard to follow sometimes, but by "hoping for gifts to help slaves" they mean upon joining they're told to whore themselves out as it turns the masters on or w/e, I don't know the reasoning but thats why its always written like Gift$ in kind of a glittery prose as if it was copied from one source. its not a coincidence, they're encouraged, so my first post saying nurturing and encouraging prostitution is accurate. Personally I think thats a really bad thing for the community but maybe I'm the only one?
as I find it hard to understand why you can call others Insulting Names
its very easy they choies to delete you .... no one twisted there arms
asking for a gift dose not makes a whore and I dontt think any one has the right to be calling others,
whore O my we are on a sex game
( only my partner can call me his ;) )
any ways its a sex game as a lot say
can I ask what do you call the others that don't ask for gifts
But are *#!**# around if we are name calling each other.
the name calling has to really stop here
no one has the power to control others
don't like a group don't go in there
they delete its the account holder action not the group
just as they want to be in that group that's there choice
the gifting your not gifting them and you don't have control of others gifting them
no reason to call others whores .....
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whore
hôr/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: whoring
(of a woman) work as a prostitute.
"she spent her life whoring for dangerous men"
synonyms: work as a prostitute, sell one's body, sell oneself, be on the streets
"she spent her life whoring"
(of a man) use the services of prostitutes.
noun: whoring
"he lived by night, indulging in his two hobbies, whoring and eating"
synonyms: use prostitutes; archaicwench
"the men whored and drank"
debase oneself by doing something for unworthy motives, typically to make money.
"he had never whored after money"
It's not name calling, now stop repeating the same thing over and over and over and over. I feel inclined not to read your posts because it appears as though you don't read mine and just keep restating the same opinion on a lack of information.
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whore can mean many things
Whore
(1) A term used by people who sleep around to insult someone who doesnt; as for an act of jealousy.
(2) A woman who is paid for sexual services.
(1) OMG I hate her she is such a whore!
(2) Hey whore! How much?
asking for a gift dose not make you a whore
I always like to hear two sides of the story
I think we only heard what you what us to hear
I don't blame them for deleting you as I ignored you last year and it was not because of your charming behavior
I am sure they had a reason to do the same maybe if they know the other side of the story they will understand to .
if you think I am repeating over and over and you still dont get it that insulting others is not nice in this place that
they are trying to make it in to lalala land
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I feel that was a deliberate swing at Seth and not part of this discussion.
Ps you did hear both sides of the story... the rules posted for the house of stone was side one.
Moderated by Brandybee to keep topic on discussion.
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whore can mean many things
Whore
(1) A term used by people who sleep around to insult someone who doesnt; as for an act of jealousy.
(2) A woman who is paid for sexual services.
(1) OMG I hate her she is such a whore!
(2) Hey whore! How much?
asking for a gift dose not make you a whore
I always like to hear two sides of the story
I think we only heard what you what us to hear
I don't blame them for deleting you as I ignored you last year and it was not because of your charming behavior
I am sure they had a reason to do the same maybe if they know the other side of the story they will understand to .
if you think I am repeating over and over and you still dont get it that insulting others is not nice in this place that
they are trying to make it in to lalala land
so because your interpretation (which is not in the dictionary) is different than my intended meaning, that must make everything I said in this thread a lie because of your alleged experience with me. I'll tell you I wasn't provoked by your charming personality either
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How I play is none of your business! just as you used to go sending me whats that word around with any one but that's your game your business what did i do now?..just as some others that like to be sending naked photos but I am not going to name names we now who that is to ...Attacking someone else not relevant to this post as well?
as for him he was rude to me as he is to a lot others calling me name even used the whore word on me to I say its a good reason to
delete and ignore him
hes the one that called the group dum sluts Is the same thing as calling them whores I don't thing a good thing for the community to
be calling others insulting names also Agreed ... luckily ur man changed the title to something more respectful
just as i did not go in to your town after you had your rules and all the drama fights in there and nothing changed how many times was it
that you ran out a lot girls there I didn't make the rules in the square
should I post your game to here hgo sure if you think it would be relevant to this discussion
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Quote from: HisGirlOnly on Today at 09:56:08 PM
. We know in the past you used to ask for gifts as part of your game play but that doesn't mean it is what's best for the Achat community as a whole.
How I play is none of your business! just as you used to go sending me whats that word around with any one but that's your game your business what did i do now?..just as some others that like to be sending naked photos but I am not going to name names we now who that is to ...Attacking someone else not relevant to this post as well?
thats right its not and. what was that my game what is my game is this relevant to you you seem to know every thing you like to bring it here
as for him he was rude to me as he is to a lot others calling me name even used the whore word on me to I say its a good reason to
delete and ignore him
hes the one that called the group dum sluts Is the same thing as calling them whores I don't thing a good thing for the community to
be calling others insulting names also Agreed ... luckily ur man changed the title to something more respectful
just as i did not go in to your town after you had your rules and all the drama fights in there and nothing changed how many times was it
that you ran out a lot girls there I didn't make the rules in the square
should I post your game to here hgo sure if you think it would be relevant to this discussion
He is Moderators Lover In the forum and he is fair and he will moderate me to that's the thing hes fair and
he has every right to and he did the best think by changing it that was going to bring on conflict
we for most there are two side of a story for me I already found out what it is
Attacking he should though about that when he posted that name of the group calling them dum sluts is not very nice and her trying to bring my game she seems to now it more then I do
or been wise to take it to the moods then post it in forum
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Try to listen... this is the third time I said the change of title was the right thing to do
and wtf does square have to do with any of this... we had 30 regular members this season last year
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FFS Roxy.... Do you have an extra codex for deciphering that foreign language you type in? You don't seem to read what you're replying to and interpreting what you say is giving me a headache, I'm done reading what you say.
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You're changing your posts Roxxy and they are getting more and more insulting and off topic.
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If you lot have issues, discuss them by PM. This is not the place or topic to do so. You are flooding the topic with drivel that is not relevant.
The topic is about rules of Houses or groups that is effecting others outside of their game and whether this is unfair treatment to encourage blanket banning by the House or group or other unfair rules.
Views or experiences are appreciated.
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Re my comment about taking gifts that offended roxy. "we know" refered to we at forum as her past stance on the gift discussion showed
Re: The Gift
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2014, 07:50:36 PM »
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The meaning of the gift to me.
God has give gifts to us way before our time they are from him so he buts it in the hearts of
other's and at that right time he knows when to give it. A gift should be given when it comes from
the heart and when that gift is given it is from him giving it to you ...
The discussion had run towards the house of stones gifting policy and therefore was on topic.
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If you lot have issues, discuss them by PM. This is not the place or topic to do so. You are flooding the topic with drivel that is not relevant.
The topic is about rules of Houses or groups that is effecting others outside of their game and whether this is unfair treatment to encourage blanket banning by the House or group or other unfair rules.
Views or experiences are appreciated.
I'm going to modify original post to be more clear on that
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Re my comment about taking gifts that offended roxy. "we know" refered to we at forum as her past stance on the gift discussion showed
Re: The Gift
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2014, 07:50:36 PM »
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The meaning of the gift to me.
God has give gifts to us way before our time they are from him so he buts it in the hearts of
other's and at that right time he knows when to give it. A gift should be given when it comes from
the heart and when that gift is given it is from him giving it to you ...
The discussion had run towards the house of stones gifting policy and therefore was on topic.
this is a old quot how old is this at the time It was a post one on gifting but a lot take it wrong was it tg that got upset
becs I posted it there and what dos this old post have to do with the house post ... you seem to be bring a lot from the past
any one can give ask .... you cant go saying to others you cant give or ask that's really no ones choise to do so if
you your own self is giving it very simple is just to say no i still don't under stand what this has to to with that group
HGO was discussing the gifting policy of the HDSR and her opinion. Please keep it to the discussion. She answered your query. Move on.
and I will add of my opine I don't see any thing wrong with the group
That is good to know but also give reasoned arguments to back up your statement.
as what I now he was rude to the girls that's why they deleted him
TG has explained he wasnt to her and had done nothing to warrant being ignored. That is the point of the discussion.
we did not hear there side of it well now I know there side of it ...
That is also the point of the discussion. The leaders or members of the House can easily explain their polices here and clarify their stance if they so wish.
and I would of done the same wait I did long time ago same reason you cant be going around calling others whore
just bec you cant get your way or calling dum slut rising group ....
The Moderators changed the name of The Topic for a reason. The decision is made. Stop bringing it up. It is dealt with and not relevant.
now that I know the all said, he should of talked to you moods before insulting others publicly
Both parties were in discussion with The Moderators. It's not pertinent for this discussion.
yes this got of topic
maybe was bec every one was giving opines of there own
I would suggest that next time we hear both sides of their point of view
to get a better understanding it it being but out in the forum
That is the very point of this discussion so things not understood can be explained.
Back to topic please - The topic is about rules of Houses or groups that is effecting others outside of their game and whether this is unfair treatment to encourage blanket banning by the House or group or other unfair rules.
Views or experiences are appreciated.
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this was before it got change so now it changed to rules
there rules there fantasy
they don't like it they don't join it or they can go fined another group they like
once again i am NOT stating these girls were forced to delete me, I'm stating that they were asked.... This has not been denied by the leaders of the house because its true. I knew it was true simply because my last conversation with the girl was positive, and her deleting/blocking me happened over night along with the addition of her HDSR tagline on her profile. it doesn't take a genius.
asking is unethical, the only reason is to isolate people for easier domination and probably emotional manipulation. theoretically it is a breach of their own rules and therefore hypocrisy. since their rules only imply rights to people in BDSM house culture they impose themselves as an actual authority over the game.
and theres my fucking problem... that simple noone has authority over the game like that.
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The only one who have authority on the game is the Dev-team, then the users can enjoy the game in the way they like, but without breaking the TOS and in the last two pages written while I was sleeping, many here have gone against them.
I ask you all to take a break and calm down and I advice you......at the next post I see about insulting users and that not fit the whole thread, I'm going to close it, ne matter what!
End of transmission.
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ok a little more clear to understand now
see from what I know the last conversation you had was not so friendly and positive as you say
and this is why you got deleted... I would post it but I would have to ask permission from then not bec
any ones making me but bec ....its the right think to do if its from some other person
this tell me that
happened over night along with the addition of her HDSR tagline on her profile. it doesn't take a genius.
this is what you think you have no prof they deleted you bec of the group this is just you thinking becs of a tag
asking is unethical, the only reason is to isolate people for easier domination and probably emotional manipulation.
this is still your own suggestion and opine
I still see it as a roll play group playing there fantasies as they like I see no one dominating or manipulation other
if they enjoy this fantasies
theoretically it is a breach of their own rules and therefore hypocrisy. since their rules only imply rights to people in BDSM house culture they impose themselves as an actual authority over the game.
if this bothers you why go in there others enjoy this kind of of play what right do we have for them to tell them dont play like that
thats there fantazy and they have every right to play achat
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I have now read all posting's and was quiet until now. Why only one goes crazy and why dont anyone ask a member ? Maybe no one wanna hear the truth ?
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The next off topic post will be removed.
TG started the post to discuss some rules of the HDSR.
Stacy, everyne was asked to post to this question, so if you want to say something, do it.
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Members were but its difficult when that person is on ignore.
Please explain, that's what this debate is for.
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Never has one Leader command me to delete anyone,that is fact. Only one goes crazy and makes a big discussion and a few runs after it like a Dog behind a bone. Ist my free will to be there and enjoy there Gameplay. When others dislike it,thats ok but no reason for a attack. We dont beg for gifts,yes they helps but we dont whore around.
P.S. A good friend told me a few days before : HDSR gets attacked from one then another one,all what he told me was : COINCEDENCES ?
Maybe a few ones think about it.
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-Encouraging their subs to delete users (mostly male) who have personal gripes with the masters of the house.
-Encouraging gift begging/whoring on the part of their subs as opposed to simply allowing it
-Showing disregard for Achat members outside the BDSM community by having rules regarding "slave permissions" which do not extend to non-slaves.
-Rules which violate basic human rights such as "subs" not being allowed to remove tags without permission
-Founders failure to adhere to their own standards, insisting upon a higher morality outside the house
These are all things that isolate members of these groups, making it difficult for them to make friends outside of the group, as well as making it difficult or even hazardous in my case to befriend people inside these groups.
I have had 3 cases where a person went through with deleting me from their friends list based on an order from a master. I have had cases where whoring was maliciously targeted at me, as in the gift beggars took actions against me such as complaining to their masters in order to get me shitlisted or attempting to coerce mutual friends themselves to delete me, these people were not dealt with by house leaders and encouraged in both cases. Most recent was one of the 3 in which a girl deleted me from her friends list and ignore listed me with no apparent reason other than the fact that she acquired a slave tag over the same night in which she deleted me.
So this post was changed a hr ago do we post on the now one.... or the The Original .... now I am confused from the original to this new one
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It's still the same. It's about the rules of HDSR.
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Maybe the Leaders need a Advocat for new rules,when any word gets so long turned that a few one finds a wrong Thing.
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When u spend a little time with someone... the manner in which they speak becomes like a signature.
I feel that if Oli addressed this discussion with honesty and explained his viewpoint clearly...
everyone could better understand this entire thread.
It is not his "house" ultimately that is the problem but (as already pointed out) rules in place (as shown in their members thread) within the house that affect non members.
I would like to know how and why those rules enhance game play for any group within Achat and if they don't then I'd like to know the reason why they are enforced.
And Roxxy you continue to focus on TG instead of the point of the thread.
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TG started this discussion, bc he believes the rules of this group had and still have bad effects to him. It started, bc he was cancelled and ignored by girls, which have joined the group. So TG is part of this discussion.
Mod-info: I have started to remove posts which are OT and will continue without further warning or info.
If someone wants to talk to me, use pm. As I said, everything OT will be removed.
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I dont wanna say Names here,only : one likes one and others dont like this one. No more talks needed.
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Hi the blond angel Ayla here and i am happy one of HDSR to be , all nice here ,and i can tell only good thinks from here ,
but other are not good to me why i goes to HDSR , so must ask you : what a prob you all have ,this is a place to have love and peace
so my messages is : have fun,sex and love ur next who your self
Ayla ;D
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Point 1 of the discussion:
I had a talk with Icebox. He stated clearly, no member was asked or told to cancel/ignore friends/Lovers outside the house.
TG sees a context in being ignored by girls who joined the HDSR.
It changed to a general discussion about the rules of HDSR. For 2 days we had a very good and objectiv discussion - let's get back to this. Everything which is OT just makes it harder to follow the arguments and reasons. Do you think we like to edit or remove posts? But it's the only way to stay on topic. Thanks
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I would read all from HDSR ,not only rules,they are only made for ROLEPLAY and that a few things never happens again in this Group. Only read what the one dislike is unfair,for example :
Rule 4; NO slave or member of HDSR will engage in illegal activities or those which encourage pedophiles such as - AGE/Child play, incest or violence against children, severe tortures, force rape (ooc consent RP possible), Scat/shit play, actual prostitution (they can accept & encourage gifts), bestiality/beastiality/animal play, OR disregard for any slave/member's.. or anyone else outside the family's LIMITS!!!
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I'm personally interested in hearing your policy on this Black list and when all the House seem to ban players when nothing has been done to some of these members directly.
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Now you Change the topic
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Not at all, Read the title.
The whole discussion is about a blanket ignore poilcy. Please explain it to us.
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Posted by: stacy_strong
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Now you Change the topic
No Same topic
(( **ALL MEMBERS of HDSR collectively accept that those listed have given sufficient abuse, misconduct towards and/or offence to one or more members of their family, be they Owner, Affiliate or Owned, that they are encouraged to avoid interaction with and Ignore with the rest of us! THIS LIST does not include those who may or may not be IGNORED by individual members of personal insults or just simply not getting along with some of us but getting on well with others! All members may play with whom they wish of course, but those who make the list , most if not all of us are fed up with!**))
**TO PREVENT FLAMING we chose not to publically list these individuals in this forum. House members please see A Master or Mistress for complete lists and helpful hints!**
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You see any Name ? No we have not really a black list but we know a few ones they do things they are unlegal
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Please explain more.
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Must i explain things like : young ,young incest,rape ?
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Not the question I asked.
I am asking you or your leaders of the House to explain the black listing policy of your House.
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Brandybee can it be that you search now another reason to bring the Leaders to the Point to Close HDSR and leaves achat ?
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Don't put words in my mouth. I am very capable of expressing my thoughts and views.
I ask again for you or your House leaders to explain the policy on blanket banning members ? That's a direct question for a direct answer and completely relevant to this topic.
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I would say that the best any one can do is change the rules
to make it more up to date
and stop it from dragging on
if some others don't like it
and are sensitive
it still will not stop other from deleting a person is they don't like them
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THERE is no REAL LIST! WE HAVE ONLY A FEW NAMES FROM ONES THEY DO young INCEST AND OTHER BULLSHIT ! You get it now ?
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Can anyone tell me who is admin here ?
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No need to be rude or disrespectful. I have nothing against your House.
You have a problem with me bringing this discussion along, you or your leaders can PM me.
A few names is therefore a list. A black list if all of you ban when nothing has been done to you directly.
That policy or rule is wrong and detrimental to the game of Achat. Define "Bullshit" and why should new members ban someone else mererly on the say so of another?
The forum Moderators are me, Lover, hentaiboy69 and jayc
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I am ready here and i has sent the pm to the Admin,they can decide now what to do.
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Good. The Achat Gods can read this topic any time they wish.
My question still stands and ask that you or your house clarify the rule on banning members.
What is your policy in regard to this banning of members ?
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thank you all my friends now leaving the game i have think a mod must be neutral but this is a witchhunt i find it not fair what here is going
we have no one do what , i allways nice never say bad thinks ,who say what other is lieing
so do not understand why you all shout at us , u all must hate us so
i ask me why ? why? what have we do ? what have i do what was bad ? i am so wrong in your eys ?
i do not understand it
why why why
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The house is not under attack
the members are not under attack
The rules of the house are. The treatment of non-members by the collective group is.
If you can't justify or explain them , then u know they they aren't appropriate.
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HGO is right - I just wouldn't say the rules are under attack.
Members of HDSR, can we agree you think about some of your rules and clarify them? Maybe they aren't bad in your intention, but does every member understand them correct?
And those who cancelled their friends or lovers after joining this group - can you explain your reasons? If you want, you can send a pm to the mods and don't do this in public.
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i wanna explain a few things now,we (HDSR) has no BANNER POLICY,we dont command to ignor or delete any one from any list,our members are in our group for RP and the rules are only for ROLEPLAY. The BLACK LIST are a few names from ones the do things they would no one allow here. THINGS they are in a few countrys forbidden ! And when a new one has cancled another one ,it can be that it was as i told the new one : IT CAN BE that someone makes trouble when this one realize ,that you are a member from HDSR. that was not a command to cancle and ignor anyone. EVERYONE who join our GROUP comes without any pressure from us ,they come to join for play with us our FANTASY BDSM ROLEPLAY ,we dont control any one ,they like to be sub,dom or switch and they like what we do.
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Thank you. Hopefully this clarifies your house rules now.
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i wanna explain a few things now,we (HDSR) has no BANNER POLICY,we dont command to ignor or delete any one from any list,our members are in our group for RP and the rules are only for ROLEPLAY. The BLACK LIST are a few names from ones the do things they would no one allow here. THINGS they are in a few countrys forbidden ! And when a new one has cancled another one ,it can be that it was as i told the new one : IT CAN BE that someone makes trouble when this one realize ,that you are a member from HDSR. that was not a command to cancle and ignor anyone. EVERYONE who join our GROUP comes without any pressure from us ,they come to join for play with us our FANTASY BDSM ROLEPLAY ,we dont control any one ,they like to be sub,dom or switch and they like what we do.
PLEASE NOTE: HDSR and it's member's mean NO ill will to ANYONE.. HOWEVER, certain individuals conduct themselves with such simple offenses as repeated & unwarranted attacks, accusations, RUDENESS, DISHONOR, DOUCHEBAGGERY, ASSHATEDNESS and TOTAL disregard for decorum, the RULES of the REAL Leather Lifestyle code of conduct and/or perhaps even the legal issues addressed in our RULES above against those into real victimization that they are to be PERMANENTLY IGNORED by HDSR Members! Those Listed below are not charged or accused with any particular offense but are those known to have proven themselves outsiders we collectively choose NOT to play, room or speak with!
~~ THESE are the ENEMIES of The House of DARK STONE RISING!!~~ @))-;--'--;------ ~~ MASTER DANTE'S sHIT LIST!!! ~~ THESE are the ENEMIES of The House of DARK STONE RISING!!~~ @))-;--'--;------ ~~
(( **ALL MEMBERS of HDSR collectively accept that those listed have given sufficient abuse, misconduct towards and/or offence to one or more members of their family, be they Owner, Affiliate or Owned, that they are encouraged to avoid interaction with and Ignore with the rest of us! THIS LIST does not include those who may or may not be IGNORED by individual members of personal insults or just simply not getting along with some of us but getting on well with others! All members may play with whom they wish of course, but those who make the list , most if not all of us are fed up with!**))
I bolded the part that's unethical, since it happened, its written that it will happen, and you're just saying its not, I'm gonna go ahead and call you a liar lol
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I really suggest that one of you send a copy of this "shit list" to the moderators. if it turns out I wasn't on it, it might help your case, and if known harassers who have received prior complaints are on it, it looks more legitimate.
as far as if I am actually on it, one or 2 of your members apparently accused me of illegal activities and I'd like proof of those allegations.
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Yes I really think the moderators should get an unedited copy of the list.
Especially as.....
The BLACK LIST are a few names from ones the do things they would no one allow here. THINGS they are in a few countrys forbidden !
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THERE is no REAL LIST! WE HAVE ONLY A FEW NAMES FROM ONES THEY DO young INCEST AND OTHER BULLSHIT ! You get it now ?
and also if they are on it for breaking this rule
NO slave or member of HDSR will engage in illegal activities or those which encourage pedophiles such as - AGE/Child play, incest or violence against children, severe tortures, force rape (ooc consent RP possible), Scat/shit play, actual prostitution (they can accept & encourage gifts), bestiality/beastiality/animal play
Which would make the ones on your list also accountable to the administrators as they violate Achat TOS also laws in place to protect internet users in general..
Is Tg is being accused of any of these things ? Improperly accusing someone of such things is actually illegal in it's self.
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Dear friends,
Thus far I have restricted my responses & input regarding the repeated & continuous verbal assaults and flaming against those of our family conducted by the one responsible for this post. Despite being placed on ignore by the many individual members of our House caused offense on one level or another, for over a year.. this individual is one of two who has persisted in sending, or attempting to send, terrible insults to those members through others that have had chosen not to cut off all contact with him or circumvent the no contact by sending PMs here. Most recently, other than sending a simple "tell (X) I said "^$*&%%$ you f**^$^ &%^#&^ &^*%".. such messages including some sending chat logs in which the offender made actual death threats and wishing harm to members. In his defense I will tell you this individual falls under the "other BS" caption and still continues to flame and insult us to people we have never had contact with but whom, meet us and finding us not at all what he claims.. inform us of what is said. As far as I know none of the other actual "play" activities we choose not to partake in, encourage nor indulge is he responsible for. In fact, he and I were once friends until he took offense to some of our members asking for gifts & in one case being promised something not delivered. Once it was determined we would not be manipulated by simple verbal abuse and he was placed on ignore, his campaign of bullying transversed into repeated flaming to others, and trying to send threats and hate filled messages to our members via others.
As for those on my personal ignore list or the reasons thereof, I do not and have not shared them with any member, unless specifically asked about an individual. I do not have nor keep any specific list, would not share it if I did and instead leave the sharing of information between members to those involved or curious. In most cases, the bio/tag of some we choose not to play or involve ourselves with speak for themselves. In the case of individuals who choose to IGNORE redlight contact with us as well as in game "Ignore" by sending BS messages of hate filled tripe, threats and rhetoric to our members via other players OR continually flaming to other players we may be friends/lovers with or who in many cases we have never met.. We reserve the right to inform members up front that we wish NO contact whatever nor messages from these individuals such as the author of the original post here. From that point they may make their own conclusions and choices. You will find several members who still maintain contact or friend/lover status with these individuals.
As for the current claims;
1. -Encouraging their subs to delete users (mostly male) who have personal gripes with the masters of the house
Check the friends & lovers lists of any/all HDSR members please. You will find many male users, friends & playmates, many of whom have a gripe with one or more of the Master's, Mistresses, slaves, pets, friends or playmates of HDSR members but whom respect individual in game ignores or simple lack of contact! They don't try to circumvent , flame to others, send PMs, insults or death threats to members via other players. We come here and pay to play here for fun, not stress or negative interaction. With a few select exceptions of which Master Oli is aware and approves, I personally choose to keep to my AChat spouse for male playmates.. a Husband has some rights. IMHO.
2. -Encouraging gift begging/whoring on the part of their subs as opposed to simply allowing it
The most EVER done is to advise those wishing or needing Premium help to attain premium on their own at first with annual being the best deal & then to receive gifts or RP such if desired or needed.. was to ask them to post NO MORE, as many of you know, than "Gift$ HELP SLAVES!". Beyond this the rules of HDSR which all new members refer too clearly state this.
3. -Showing disregard for Achat members outside the BDSM community by having rules regarding "slave permissions" which do not extend to non-slaves.
We have many pets, playmates, submissives, switches & non-slave affiliates & associates in HDSR. Those who choose to enjoy RP as a slave have the right to do so and approve of, endorse and agree to our rules before they are offered a collar. We respect their rights to enjoy SSC slave play and will protect same. The rules speak for themselves.
4. -Rules which violate basic human rights such as "subs" not being allowed to remove tags without permission
HDSR engages in only SSC, love based BDSM as practiced in the Leather Lifestyle which finds it's basis in deep abiding affection, LOYALTY and TRUST between Owners and Owned. In many instances members have and always will continue to first agree to the House rule he refers to, and simply remove their TAG/Collar when such no longer suits them without discourse or discussion as is their right to do.. just as it is our right to reduce them from lovers to friends or refuse to offer them a collar again when & if they return which they often do.. and more often than not they are received with open arms and remain happy & proud of their collars. No rights at all are, have ever been or can be violated.. Asking someone to step forward as MANY have and say "I REALLY LOVE Master/Mistress X and I wish to be theirs!" is not too much to ask and they are sent on their way with our blessings .. the fact they did so assures if they ever are abandoned or wish to "come home" they will be received with open arms.
5. -Founders failure to adhere to their own standards, insisting upon a higher morality outside the house
We adhere to our own rules and standards within the House and ask that all members of our family do so. We never have and never will insist on any standards, censure, censorship, restriction on personal sexual rights, identity or morality be placed on anyone outside of our family. I personally have some on my friends & lovers lists to which some find objection too.. but I smile and keep them there and enjoy their interaction and company regardless.. as is my right.. and the right of any member of HDSR. Just like every other point made these claims are ill informed, baseless and part of yet another attempt to circumvent "ignore" and "no contact" by an abuser who is not getting his own way by attacking and bullying us via public forum. I can concede only that I will speak to the members including Master Oli to review posts and some may be revised or deleted which may give a false impression.
That said, in answer to HisGirlOnly.. I appreciate your point about those we or our friends come in contact with who may be minors or criminal. There IS NO REAL LIST .. but Rest assured, ALL individuals we have or will come in contact with who may be engaged in illegal activities are reported individually to the moderators who will bare witness to this fact. On numerous occasions we have done so and will continue to do so. Often, chat logs and notifications have been sent to us and forwarded directly to BrandyBee for admin/moderator investigation & disposition.
In closing, please let me say to friends & lovers I know and those I have yet to meet.. Thank you for taking the time to read & I apologize for the baseless, childish drama to which I have finally and reluctantly felt obliged to respond. To those VERY VERY few who have repeatedly circumvented ignore via PM & messages to other players sending hate, threats & flaming I can only say...
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Thanks Amber, for your long and detailed post.
I hope, this clarifies most of the questions which have been asked.
Let me add, if you or any other member is using the report-butoon in game, none of us mods is informed. The report-button sends the chatlog straight to AChat. If someone wants to let us know, you have to send a copy of the chatlog to us, as pm in forum.
Though it's always the best, if someone is attacked, offended or threatened, to use this button. We only can offer our help, we can mediate and we can talk to AChat, but faster and better is AChat of course. Also we (luckily) don't have the power to ban members.
TG, I'm sure you won't be happy with this answer. It's clearly said, you are not on any lists, because there is no list. Though some members have been warned, saying you could cause troubles.
Which gives another question, something Roxxy asked too: If members leave you, cancel and ignore you and then join a group, are they your friends? Or has something happened, between you and them, which was the reason for their behave? I don't know the answer and I don't have to know it. It's just between you and them.
Nobody else posted, saying this has happened too. For now, this makes me believing, the reason for being ignored is a personal one and not forced by the HDSR.
We could discuss about someother rules. But for now, I don't think it would be correct. HDSR is a group, which is fair enough to publish their rules. How many groups do we have, who don't do this, knowing their rules are against TOS?
HDSR, I offer my help if you want to rethink some of our rules. When I say I, I speak for all mods.
Closing, I want to say, I expect the argue is over now. HDSR explained their rules and TG got what he wanted too: A discussion about it and a question to be answered.
I expect, only if you have a new point, a question or any objectiv content, to post it in a gentle tone. Thanks!
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Lots of unfounded claims about me in there champ. I never sent a death threat first of all, the only "threat" i ever sent to you guys was that I was going to expose you for making people delete or harass me if you continue to make them do it. You probably can pull a few quotes with me flipping out at members sure, but I seem to remember getting emasculated and targeted each time. It's not nice to have people to which my relationship with is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS delete me randomly. You never get to live that down once it happens, and it's happened 3 times. Those things don't unhappen and I'm going to continue telling people that they happened. You can't put me on a shit list because I didn't shut up about unethical behaviour on your part, you will be held accountable.
First, one of your subs started talking to me daily for a few weeks pretending to be my friend, she actually started out harassing me and speaking in an unfriendly manner until I told her to go away, then she stated she liked me etc. She asked for a gift as a whore but since she was acting like my friend I gave it to her. but to give details i casually asked her to come to the room 1 on 1 and she asked for the gift, after which she refused to room me 1 on 1 and pulled me into 2 lousy threesomes which I neither like nor asked for. obviously offended that I didn't like the 3somes she started being increasingly rude to me to the point where she was asking me lovers to delete me if they wish to speak to her. this is the point where I realized she had ignore listed me. This is probably the first girl you will claim I harassed, but I remember she dished as much as she took, on top of behaving unethically.
Now you heard all of this, and I don't even think I was the one who ultimately complained to you guys about her, but none the less another girl completely unrelated to the situation was asked to unfriend me, this girl sent me a pm claiming she still wanted to be friends but she didnt want to get in shit for having me on her list. You guys didn't really have a right to do that, you poisoned a functional relationship of mine with drama and decided you were too good for it.
now the next girl, she had mentioned that she was asked to unfriend me and told you guys to screw off, so I know theres a few of those around too, she started emasculating me when i told her I was fed up with slave culture and didnt really like the same kind of play as her. I don't think she claims I abused her though.
somewhere between the point where this girl was repeatedly chatting to me and emasculating me, a certain sub mistress of your house came and started talking to me, my stance at this point was to avoid contact with anyone wearing your tags, but they were still finding me, the thing is that this girl was acting as if she was scripted to come ask me for gifts, like someone told her how much I paid the first girl, she wanted to pull the same scam. when she realized I wouldnt play that game she outright told me to pay her or fuck off.
the thing is i cant remember masses of cases where I even talked to your members long enough to harass or abuse them. these are false accusations. I know immediately following this recent deletion I did tonnes of shit but this is the 3rd time you guys crossed that line and the 7th time you guys crossed a line, you declared war and didn't expect retaliation
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TG, you say they started it, HDSR say you started... probably the truth is in the middle of both.
Can we all agree, everyone stops it now and all "live" together in AChat without mutual recriminations?
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Thanks Amber, for your long and detailed post.
I hope, this clarifies most of the questions which have been asked.
Let me add, if you or any other member is using the report-butoon in game, none of us mods is informed. The report-button sends the chatlog straight to AChat. If someone wants to let us know, you have to send a copy of the chatlog to us, as pm in forum.
Though it's always the best, if someone is attacked, offended or threatened, to use this button. We only can offer our help, we can mediate and we can talk to AChat, but faster and better is AChat of course. Also we (luckily) don't have the power to ban members.
TG, I'm sure you won't be happy with this answer. It's clearly said, you are not on any lists, because there is no list. Though some members have been warned, saying you could cause troubles.
Which gives another question, something Roxxy asked too: If members leave you, cancel and ignore you and then join a group, are they your friends? Or has something happened, between you and them, which was the reason for their behave? I don't know the answer and I don't have to know it. It's just between you and them.
Nobody else posted, saying this has happened too. For now, this makes me believing, the reason for being ignored is a personal one and not forced by the HDSR.
We could discuss about someother rules. But for now, I don't think it would be correct. HDSR is a group, which is fair enough to publish their rules. How many groups do we have, who don't do this, knowing their rules are against TOS?
HDSR, I offer my help if you want to rethink some of our rules. When I say I, I speak for all mods.
Closing, I want to say, I expect the argue is over now. HDSR explained their rules and TG got what he wanted too: A discussion about it and a question to be answered.
I expect, only if you have a new point, a question or any objectiv content, to post it in a gentle tone. Thanks!
I disagree, what amber said does nothing to prove that this girl deleted me for personal reasons. Only the girl can prove it really, but I'm going to reiterate: I NEVER HAD A SINGLE FIGHT, INSULT, OR BAD WORD THROWN IN ANY CONVERSATION WITH THIS GIRL EVER. Would you like all my chat logs from the last month? even then its missing time stamps for times when i was like not online or sleeping etc and people will just argue i deleted it. It's impossible to prove something was NOT said via chatlog.
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TG, you say they started it, HDSR say you started... probably the truth is in the middle of both.
Can we all agree, everyone stops it now and all "live" together in AChat without mutual recriminations?
I would like you to ask amber for logs on allegations that I made death threats.
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Also lover, noone else has come forward because they have yet to cough up this "shit list" and we can't inform people on it about this thread and get their side of the story too. So far I see a lot of claims like "theres no shit list.... just a list of people we tell our subs to stay away from".
So 2 things I think you mods need to do is acquire proof of these "death threat" allegations against me, as thats an accusation of illegal activity, or moderate the post claiming I did this. and acquire the shit list and notify people listed on this discussion.
Once again I would like a copy of this shit list amber, I'm asking the mods to get it because I don't recieve complaints and cant go "oh ive heard about this guy" etc. but all people listed have a right to be informed on this thread
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Well I think that worked out well..
Amber will provide the chatlogs of the alleged conversations just to prove this isn't another unwarranted attack on TG.
Thankyou amber for
That said, in answer to HisGirlOnly.. I appreciate your point about those we or our friends come in contact with who may be young or criminal. There IS NO REAL LIST .. but Rest assured, ALL individuals we have or will come in contact with who may be engaged in illegal activities are reported individually to the moderators who will bare witness to this fact. On numerous occasions we have done so and will continue to do so. Often, chat logs and notifications have been sent to us and forwarded directly to BrandyBee for admin/moderator investigation & disposition.
I think this shows real support for the achat community.
In future posts you might want to reduce ur font size as I found it aggressive. Kind of the same way CAPS LOCK ON looks like yelling.
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TG, they stated several times now, there is no List. They said, your name has been told though. Next, if I get the chatlog, will you stop this discussion?
I don't expect and I also don't request you all, to say "Sorry" and reaching the hand. All I ask for, is to live together in AChat, without further attacks. Again I ask, can everyone agree with this?
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TG, they stated several times now, there is no List. They said, your name has been told though. Next, if I get the chatlog, will you stop this discussion?
I don't expect and I also don't request you all, to say "Sorry" and reaching the hand. All I ask for, is to live together in AChat, without further attacks. Again I ask, can everyone agree with this?
they're stating there is no list but they are warning people about me... so that means there is a list and they're just not calling it a list. now i don't believe they're singling me out in this so when i say get the list I mean WHOEVER they're warning people about need to be informed of this thread.
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TG, they stated several times now, there is no List. They said, your name has been told though. Next, if I get the chatlog, will you stop this discussion?
I don't expect and I also don't request you all, to say "Sorry" and reaching the hand. All I ask for, is to live together in AChat, without further attacks. Again I ask, can everyone agree with this?
I can agree,without any word
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Thanks icebox!
TG, what about you?
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"there is no list but there is a collection of names we keep in order to warn our subs"..... when do the english speaking mods typically sign on? like ffs they're saying "theres no list but there is a list" and you're letting them leave it at that....
the reason noone else has came forward is because they probably don't read the forum, im really close to going around achat looking for their enemies if they dont stop playing fucking games and cough up the damn list....
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a number of connected items or names written or printed consecutively, typically one below the other.
"consult the list of drugs on page 326"
synonyms: catalog, inventory, record, register, address book, roll, file, index, directory, listing, checklist, enumeration; blogroll
"a list of the world's wealthiest people"
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You can be sure, even if I'm not native english I can read and understand the posts.
There are two possibilites: There is a list - but we're not the FBI, we can't control their computers. Or there is no list which can be given to us.
Whatever you do in game, we also can't control. Just you should know, it takes a lot of time, which can be spent in a much better way - with sex and fun for example. Or you find people, who don't like what you're doing and report you - maybe you will be banned in the end. Do you want this?
The HDSR has agreed to live together, without attacking or chasing you. Do you agree, to do the same? And, instead of being mad and on a revenge, to have fun with those girls who like you?
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TG, they stated several times now, there is no List. They said, your name has been told though. Next, if I get the chatlog, will you stop this discussion?
well actually there was a list .. until Amber came online and said there wasn't a list... just saying :P
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I have asked that Oli, Aly and others who have borne witess to the most recent offenses and received PMs & messages including wishing someone harm and death be forwarded to moderators. I thank all for their support who have likewise sent messages and encouragement, and thank Lover for his willingness to assist in any rules some may find offensive which we are willing to modify , though we will not indulge , engage in nor encourage certain behaviors such as that of ... well.. champ. All thorns on the current bed of roses he and one other lay in are of their own making in persisting with their childish behavior.. and lend credence to why we do some things as we do. For any given offense or plagued by this I offer apology and wish even haters no ill will.. only desiring to be left alone with our loves, friends and family.. free from contact via PM, messages sent by others, flames to those that don't know us or other threats and intimidation.
I also apologize for my font size HisGirlOnly.. it got to a point where I could only think of John Hancock when signing his name on the Declaration of Independence.. so a certain king could.. read the truth.. without his spectacles. I don't feel any further response to questions or rhetoric , attacks or harassment made by the author of this string to be productive nor warranted. hope I answered any questions from those worthy of response as to the rules and activities of HDSR. Happy & Blessed New Year all..
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You can be sure, even if I'm not native english I can read and understand the posts.
There are two possibilites: There is a list - but we're not the FBI, we can't control their computers. Or there is no list which can be given to us.
Whatever you do in game, we also can't control. Just you should know, it takes a lot of time, which can be spent in a much better way - with sex and fun for example. Or you find people, who don't like what you're doing and report you - maybe you will be banned in the end. Do you want this?
The HDSR has agreed to live together, without attacking or chasing you. Do you agree, to do the same? And, instead of being mad and on a revenge, to have fun with those girls who like you?
well its simple, there is a list, way too much documentation on their rule thread and how many times they stated there is a collection of people whether they wanna call it a list or not. if they refuse to cough this list up it draws suspicion as the people listed may be innocent like me. a mod like you or BB who receives complaints about users on a daily basis could easily verify if the people listed are known harassers (hell i could do it to a degree) but mainly the others who have been targetted the same way have a right to defend themselves too
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The topic started because you thought, friends have put you on ignore to join them. Now you just talk about a list - whether it exists or not. They might have people on ignore - what about you? What about any other member?
Do not all of us have people on an ignore-list, because they behaved in a way we don't accept? And those who have, did they never talk to their spouses/lovers/friends about any other members? AChat is a social community, of course we all do.
I ask you a last time, do you accept to stop it here and now and we all go back, having fun and accept not everyone will room with us
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The topic started because you thought, friends have put you on ignore to join them. Now you just talk about a list - whether it exists or not. They might have people on ignore - what about you? What about any other member?
Do not all of us have people on an ignore-list, because they behaved in a way we don't accept? And those who have, did they never talk to their spouses/lovers/friends about any other members? AChat is a social community, of course we all do.
I ask you a last time, do you accept to stop it here and now and we all go back, having fun and accept not everyone will room with us
its still a fact that she put me on ignore under instructions... and i did not behave in a crude way... you're just calling me a liar because you're friends with 2 of the parties that have been attacking me on this games.... wheres the other mods?
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OMG Lover is that what you got out of the list discussion?
That he's upset they won't room with him?
thats actually incredibly insulting
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Yes, it's fact she put you on ignore. We don't know if she has done it because she felt it was best to do or because she was told to do. I don't call you or any other person here a liar - more I'm sure, everyone believes he is right and telling the truth.
If you think, I would be against you, you're completely wrong - if you want to discuss it with me, you can send a pm.
All I asked for was to stop it now. Which the HDSR agreed and you don't. Because it doesn't make sense, to circle around without new arguments, I will lock this topic now and the same willl happen with every new topic which is started with same content.
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This topic has been an interesting one to say the least. It had bought an interesting subject to Forum about Rules of House or groups and how it effects the Achat community.
The rule was discussed on whether there was blanket black listing by a group following a girl seemingly for no reason ignoring another member.
Rightly so, this member was angry by what he saw as unfair treatment.
The matter was discussed and at some points went off topic so had to be moderated accordingly. This was mainly because the subject was either misunderstood or was degenerating into a slanging match which of course is not appropriate for a public debate.
The reasons for the moderations were explained to each by PM.
The House in question has answered and assured us there is no blanket banning. Unless the opposite is shown by complaints, then we have to assume only individual banning occurs. There are people they do not play with as their behaviour is against TOS. I can confirm that I have received complaints in regard to this as stated by Amber_Stone and they have been dealt with or resolved.
The matter had been discussed publicly to clarify the points raised. The discussion had reached its end. The member aggrieved, although not fully satisfied had received an answer from the House in question.
No other persons had come forward with similar complaints.
It is a pity the girl in question and reason for this debate, did not explain her actions either here or by private message or game message to the ignored member but that is her prerogative.
The Moderators in Forum are neither against nor for any particular side in a debate. We may ask questions to bring a debate on and we may moderate posts as outlined above. There is no need to attack any of us. You can PM us at any time to discuss our actions.
The House has accepted a truce and I hope TG will too.
The decision to now lock the topic was made as a joint decision by all the Forum Moderators.