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Title: Before Saying, “I Support France,” Please Read This
Post by: AusWoody on November 15, 2015, 04:08:14 PM: We all feel sad, mad and pissed off with the attacks on paris and the other terrorist targets around the world

Before Saying, “I Support France,” Please Read This

Please don’t say things like, “I stand with France,” or “Those poor French people, victims of that attack!” unless you’re prepared to say and do the following things:

Stop saying “Islam” is about peace and love. It’s not. It’s about submission; the people who really get this are the ones who launch these attacks in the name of their religion.

Stop supporting politicians like Obama, who insist that Islamic nations like Iran have our same fundamental values and can be trusted with billions of dollars in unfrozen assets (Obama’s treaty), and who don’t mean what they say when they want to wipe Israel off the map.
Stop saying we don’t really need a strong military and we cannot, under any circumstances, use the full might of our military arsenal to do things to stop militant Islam in its tracks, to quite literally scare the Allah out of these people.

Unless or until you start to rethink your stance, you have no business expressing compassion towards the victims of people in attacks whose perpetrators – knowingly or not – you aid and support via your positions.

The president of France calls the attacks in Paris by militant ISIS supporters an “act of war.” Excuse me? Haven’t we been at war since at least 9/11? Even going back as far as 1979, when the first openly organized Islamic government, Iran, took Americans hostage and brutalized them for a year before setting them free?

We’re not supposed to admit we’re at war with Islam. But Islam has been at war with everyone else for decades now. And it’s not going to stop.
I am so sick of people saying, “We can’t fight terrorism with violence. We have to understand them and figure out what makes them act this way.”

Envy, brutality and collectivist/social/racial hatred are what make them act this way. They’re not going to change, and they’re not going to stop. By trying to appease and understand them every chance we get, they interpret this as weakness, because it is, from their point-of-view. They respond with more brutality. They’re not ever going to stop, any more than Hitler and the Nazis would have stopped if, instead of taking them on directly, we had said, “Let’s try to understand them.”

You cannot defeat a morally certain enemy without moral certainty. But we do not live in an age of moral self-assertion. It’s considered mean, unkind and politically incorrect.

You do not have moral certainty if you keep insisting that your enemy really does not mean it.

Stop waiting for the “moderate” or life-loving Muslims to come out of the closet and morally condemn their violent brethren. These moderates are nowhere to be found. Either they do not exist, or they’re too weak or frightened to take on the people who do these things in the name of their faith-based philosophy.

Obama has stated that these attackers do not share certain basic, universal values with the rest of us. But Obama is the one who insists we cannot really fight terrorists because they operate underground, without state-sanctioned armies, and the like.

Obama is the same one who gave away America’s credibility and unfroze billions in assets to the government of Iran, the one actual government known to sponsor and morally support Islamic terrorism around the world. What business does he have expressing outrage and horror? He might as well be on their side. Because he makes life easier for them, through things like this insane treaty he rammed by the Congress.

So before you rush to show others how sad and angry you are about what happened in Paris, stop to think of the ideas, attitudes and elected officials you’ve been supporting.

Ideas have consequences, and if you support the wrong ones, this is what you get.

Michael J. Hurd, Ph.D. | Living Resources Center
Title: Re: Before Saying, “I Support France,” Please Read This
Post by: Jensen on November 15, 2015, 09:30:11 PM: Very Accurate Wood. Well said.
Title: Re: Before Saying, “I Support France,” Please Read This
Post by: hentaiboy69 on November 16, 2015, 03:28:24 AM: sorry, but I don't agree with it at all........for sure, we can't pretend to fight IS with peace and love, but say that all the Ilsamic people are the same of the one who are behind the attack is totally wrong! and the one who wrote what Woody post here (becauase it's not a text from Woody, Jensen), is just one who have no compassion and just weant to bring down Obama from his position and have no other chance to do it eccept throw some mud on it in this way.

I'll say it till Death.... I support all the France people in their loss, this is the least we can do as rational human! Of course, something must be done to stop them and it's impossible to hope a simple talk will work. First it must be a work of intelligence to find where their head is, then we must stop them all once and for all, or our cities can be the next target of this fanatic.

That's it!
Title: Re: Before Saying, “I Support France,” Please Read This
Post by: Rukya on November 16, 2015, 06:33:33 AM: Quote from: AusWoody on November 15, 2015, 04:08:14 PM
We all feel sad, mad and pissed off with the attacks on paris and the other terrorist targets around the world

Stop saying “Islam” is about peace and love. It’s not. It’s about submission; the people who really get this are the ones who launch these attacks in the name of their religion.

Michael J. Hurd, Ph.D. | Living Resources Center

The one who wrote this seem to forget that christian religion is considered as a peace religion even if there is many stories where they fighted in the name of their god ( ex : crusades ) . So Islam is not more bad than Christianism . The only thing bad is that some peoples ( a minority ) hide behind islam to do murders and rapes . But these peoples are just "islamic nazis"
Title: Re: Before Saying, “I Support France,” Please Read This
Post by: hentaiboy69 on November 16, 2015, 06:39:10 AM: well said, Rukya!
Title: Re: Before Saying, “I Support France,” Please Read This
Post by: Jaynie on November 16, 2015, 12:17:43 PM: I can say I support the victims of the horrible tragedy in Paris because I am HUMAN.... I have no political agenda when it comes to loving and supporting and showing compassion for people who are made to suffer at the hands of others who know only hatred. No one deserves to suffer because of another person's choices or failed decisions. NO ONE.. I beg to find out where your compassion is Woody. Seems to me the world can be a better place if people like YOU start changing your attitude.. show compassion for those who need it.. and stop casting blame on others and be a part of the solution.
Title: Re: Before Saying, “I Support France,” Please Read This
Post by: zuzannah on November 16, 2015, 12:34:49 PM: How someone can say these quotes though, especially just after over 120 people have been murdered shows just Complete and Total INSENSITIVITY, UNTHOUGHFULLNESS And DISRESPECT to those who have lost their lives and their families and friends. Not to mention everyone on this Forum who has said condolences.
Title: Re: Before Saying, “I Support France,” Please Read This
Post by: maron211177 on November 16, 2015, 02:45:23 PM: (http://bilder.bild.de/fotos/un-schock-bilanz-syrien-krieg-forderte-bereits-100000-tote-33702982-31539974/Bild/3.bild.jpg)

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Refugees came because of Terrorism, not Terrorism because of Refugees

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Title: Re: Before Saying, “I Support France,” Please Read This
Post by: Brandybee on November 16, 2015, 02:58:48 PM: Everyone is entitled to their views and has the right to express them. Not everyone will always agree but that is what we have fought for, that is the fundamental right of the people.

We discuss, we disagree, we compromise and we buy the drinks after.
That’s what makes it work and how we live together with respect.

To ostracise the whole of the Islam religion is wrong. To accuse all Muslims is wrong. To blanket accuse anyone for their race, look or religion is plain wrong.

The people committing these atrocities are the radicles who twist their beliefs into their own justification to commit terrorist acts. They choose, as an individual to believe the extreme, and to follow the leaders they choose.

They hijack the religion and the race of their people for their own ends.
They start building divides and wedges between the races and religions.
This will cause innocents to become suspicious, for moderates to react and then before you know it we have a them and us and the terrorists are rubbing their hands together in glee.
Because neighbours are fighting neighbours, friends are spitting at each other and God / Allah forbid, tempers rise and things are done in the heat of the moment and hatred is born.

We are better than that. We are intelligent people who can argue our points without pointing the finger at each other or dictating what is or isn’t the case.

The people who committed mass murders in Paris, France and on the beach of Tunisia in July are just that – Mass murdering scum. Cowards attacking, innocent, unarmed people. They did not care if they killed Muslim, Christian or whatever race or religion.

Their goal is purely to scare, maim and kill as many people as possible to publicise their army … the one terrorising Iraq & Syria; the one kidnapping school girls, the ones killing people for no reason and who encourage suicide bombers; the ones encouraging school girls to leave their family home and become child brides! The one that barbarically beheads people to shock and cause terror. What kind of Army or world is that to live in?

Can’t you see what they do? Even here, they cause conflict!

What I will say though is the radicals and extremists ARE amongst the Muslims and followers of Islam. They are not Christian people. It is up to the Moderates of these people to speak up now, to point the finger and report the murderers or potential murderers and identify the next suicide bombers.

Why? Because people like me, don’t mix in this community enough to the extent to identify them and report them to the authorities.
And to do nothing, is condoning what they do… and that is no longer an option. Yes, Moderates, I’m talking to you!

We work together, we hunt them down, we take them out and the world will be a better place.

Why? 129 pointless killings in France and 38 pointless killings on a Tunisia beach is why!!!

Enough said.
Title: Re: Before Saying, “I Support France,” Please Read This
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Title: Re: Before Saying, “I Support France,” Please Read This
Post by: FoxyRoxxy on November 22, 2015, 10:43:47 PM: What gets me mad is why do we people wait for something like this to happen just when a big tragedy happens..

and then every one is there supporting them feeling so compassionate till its over a day a week a month ...
and then they forget or let it go away ...old news ....

Come on people open your eye look out side your door get out your little island and look what there really is outside

our happy world...Its time every one wakes up and sees all the pain there is out in our world ,And why all this happened

this is not a one time over night thing this has been coming for some time and I am sure there will be more .If we dont

start to speak out against all this Injustice...To support is to me a activist Speak UP let your voice be heard not just today

SPEAK UP ROARING!

to me this is a hate crime

I dont see it as religion as politics I see it as hate murdering a another soul

and this is wrong

So yes I am angry like so many ..

My heart go's out to all the all the families and friends of the victims

Prayers to you all ....

This might happened here in French

but it touched all of us around the world ....

This has to stop and to stop it we all have to take a stand and

Speak out...