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Discussions about AChat => Share your creative ideas => Topic started by: babybuggybumper on September 26, 2010, 07:56:22 AM
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Here's the problem; Guys using girls avatar. I know I can't be the only one that's concerned about this. How many of you guys want to chat and be intimate with another guy using a girls avatar? I don't want and shouldn't have to suspect there's a man behind that fine looking female avatar and start the chat by asking "r u female irl". But I do, because there are so many men that use the female avatars. I don't know why they do it, but they do. Nevertheless, We need to weed out the impostors. Maybe make a list of those that are willing to prove their gender. Something needs to be done about this problem. If not then I'm going to quit coming back for good. Because BigTex don't like to play with guys posing as a female.
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If it talks like a female looks like a female has sex like a female why worry its only fantasy lol, i know some females that write your name on there chest just to prove they female n email but they are rare and most ppl dont want there identitys known here. So you can only trust that most your lovers are female or just pretend lol.
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I've met a lot of fake girls, but they are so obvious. Don't worry about it. Watch out for:
naked avatar, unchanged from default avatar, no details on profile, impatient, untalkative (I don't mean they don't answer, I mean in a room) and so on. Essentially they act like guys. I like to discuss periods with them until they flee. :)
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Stated the one reason I want to talk with my partner and ignore cold invites,...impatience, untalkative partners are boring to begin with. Though Garryz brings the crucial point. If they can act it, feel it I see no harm in it if the can complete the fantasy for themselves and their partners.
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Tanya that seems like a good way, too bad I can't use it and yes the traits you describe seems to fit. :P
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Honestly, WHO GIVES A FUCK.
We have had this topic come up before. I have had guys wanting me to send pics to prove I am a chic. When I tell them go fuck your self, I'm told thats how a guy would react. WTF. When you get a real chic, you end up pushing her away because your so damn paranoid. Unless you plan to meet in real life, why should you care. Hell you'd think you'd be more worried that it might be an young kid then a guy pretending to be a chic. Ummm honestly your fucking a female avatar, you can't and won't be 100% sure that she is a she. So let it go an enjoy. The more you worry about it, the less fun you will have in a room. Seriously, what you worried that it will make you gay or something. Because it doesn't, in your mind its a chic. If your dreaming of a chic, wanting a chic, seeing a chic, then your doing a chic. Hell you got girls pretending to be guys on here an I could care less. Not to be crude, but I will be. A dick is a dick no matter who is pushing the buttons, same goes for pussy(if they have a really cool personality to go with it, makes it even better). And have you thought that some of the ppl that have nothing to say in the room, just like to watch the action to get off? Or they just really lack imagination or just want you to do all the work?
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See Sinnn is all female comes across so elegant when aroused lol
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Hmmm depends on what mood I am in and who brings it out in me ;) ;D. You may get elegant, you may get bitch goddess and you may get riden an smacked an asked"Whose my Bitch?"
LOL.
Also guys, do you really think the chics look like the avatar. You don't really know who is typing. Really I'm short ass hell grrrrrr. My ass is waayy bigger than the avatar and I cut my hair along time ago. They just don't have a curly wavy puff hairstly here. Do you think if women or men could make their avatar really look like them they would(if you ask me should be proud of yourself no matter what). Would you invite a 300 pound avatar into the room? Would you ask a guy with crazy beer belly into the room? This here is fantasy. Some guys want to be chics. Some girls want to be guys. And some want to have six packs they can only dream about. Just let it go an enjoy the fantasy. Stop taking somethings so deeply.
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Exactly sinnnn, who cares as long as long as they play well with you. I am more concerned about a person being silent, unimaginative,..impatient than looks. If I can't make a connection to them with words wtf do I care if that are some slim, model type with nothing between the ears. I'd rather just watch video porn then 2 avatars silently fucking on a screen with an occasional "ooo", "ahh" thrown in,... like that makes me all excited....
It's the person behind the avatar who matters.
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Bear I agree with you. If people just want to lie back and expect me to do all the work or want me to watch silently too I get terribly disinterested. I usually end up surfing and chatting until the ordeal is over cause I don't have the heart to just exit as some are really thankfull after it anyway.
One of the guys pretending to be a girl told me right out he was a guy and then we went into a room with him as a male, much more fun. ;D
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Come to think about it isn't elegant another way of saying faking it? Seriously, sex is wild, free, uncontrollable, passionate, toe curling madness, beautiful, loving, and it can be a work of art. A girls response to me is beautiful, freeing. When I think of elegance, I think of dancing. Something that has been practiced over an over again til its perfect or applying make up, or how one carries oneself. Elegence sounds like practing my orgasms over an over in a mirror til know one can tell I am faking. :-\
Hmmm maybe I have to be a guy to understand it. ;D ;D ;D
I refuse to do all the work. Hell there are times I am lost for words ;) but afterfew minutes I'm back in the game. I believe in sharing. Hell making sure my partner is getting off turns me on, and he/she damn well be of the like mind. Thats why I talk before I go in a room. If you can't hold a normal converstion what makes me think you can entertain me. I get ppl asking are you a girl, are you really that dark, are you this or that. And I don't waste my time on them. If your so hung up about whats on the other side of the computer, then your really going to be no fun in the room.
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Sinnnn your putting things in such nice words. :P
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you can guess it easier than asking. its not like you need a degree in gender psychology.
most of the hookers= guys
"my status says bisexual but I'm only doing girls today" = Guy
your best bet is to search up hetero girls only, most of the guys on girl avatars will do bisexual or homo because theyre "straight" irl.
and if a guy pretends to be a hetero female hes probably a girl on the inside anyways
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You want to solve this problem? All the guys who insist on knowing it's really a girl on the other side must get a confirmed penis measurement so their avatar can be adjusted. ;D Bet that would shut them right up.
And frankly if this girl who may be a guy can carry on a conversation beyond "Hi" *cold invite* then they are damn well worth my time. :P
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Lets get real, you guys wouldn't be able to tell the differents anyway. An aggressive chic must be guy, ummm could it be she is just a take charge kind of gal. A chic who doesn't stroke your ego must be a guy. A bi who just in the mood for girl interaction has to be a guy. Please. There are times I just want to be with a guy or just a girl. There are times I want to be with both, so does that mean I am a she-male. You can't sit there an figure it out. All ppl personalities are different, no one has the same mannerism. There are times I can be as feminine as can be, or I can make a guy feel like a chic.
Your technique in sniffing out the dick, ummm sucks. No offense.
If the person in the room is doing you just the way you like, who gives a fuck what gender they are. You got off right. That was what you was looking for.
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elegant is not faking, no it just means you unique, dignified have good taste, but when i used elengant i just meant you answered in your unique blunt way lol
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I refuse to do all the work. Hell there are times I am lost for words ;)
;D
but afterfew minutes I'm back in the game. I believe in sharing. Hell making sure my partner is getting off turns me on, and he/she damn well be of the like mind. Thats why I talk before I go in a room. If you can't hold a normal converstion what makes me think you can entertain me. I get ppl asking are you a girl, are you really that dark, are you this or that. And I don't waste my time on them. If your so hung up about whats on the other side of the computer, then your really going to be no fun in the room.
truer words were never spoken...that's how i operate
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other than that...so biting my tongue on this issue ;)
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I rather help you bite your tongue for better reasons than this. ;) ;D :-*
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I can tell you why i care if its a dude or a chick. because i like to get intimate with sum1 and know who i'm with. If I'm with a guy or a kid using a female avatar then i'm being lied to about who they really are. Personally, I don't like liars. There's a big deference if you're here just to play as opposed to wanting to meet someone.
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you never stop do you :P
and i'd rather be nibbling...not biting...you know?...teeth lightly grazing...tugging, making a body shiver, tremble even...
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Ummm I do believe I said it really doesn't matter who it is unless you are looking to meet someone. An fishing out the liars here, well thats going to take up so much of your time that you won't get to play. Or you'll end up offending the real deal.
@Bobby
:P :P :P :P
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Actually if you've ever been to a gay bar on a weekend there's a good chance you've seen a drag show. Some of the drag queens there... the fact I they were in the contest told me they were guys, but if I hadn't known in advance? :P So it's not just online.
Still, I have a feeling no argument will have you thinking "Maybe I should just chill out a bit, and let it go." So just continue on your female impersonator hunt, I'm sure it will be more fun then using this cybersex program for cybersex.
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I can understand how you would feel betrayed if you play ina room and the one on the other side is not the one who you expected to be. It has nthing to do with becoming gay or anything. I think that, even in a game, sex is intimate and you show a volnurable side of yourself. you put your trust in someone. If that trust is betrayed, it doesn't feel really great.
And as for guys using female avatars... The only reason I can think of why they would do that, is they want to know the actions the woman is able to do in a position. After all, you can only see your own actions while playing...
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back when we used to be able to change our sex, i had a number of girls come after me pretty hard:
"fuck me...come on...why not?...fuck me"
things like that...really persistent
next thing i know, they have changed their sex to male so...in my experience...girls that come on that strong are indeed guys
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Hmm well some people come on to me really hard... but I can come onto you bobbler quite hard ;) :P ;D
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Thanks everyone. Getting quite paranoid when getting a pm from a girl (supposedly or real) these days... Keep wondering all the time: is it a guy on the other side? ::)
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Adera, hmmmm, are you not the one you suppose to be? ;) :D
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Lover sometimes you guys seem to need more than a hint to get what I would like :P
But well I can't help that I get hard when things get hot ;D
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;)
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So how do you spot a fake girl? And by fake girl I mean a guy who's pretending to be a girl. Do you have certain questions that will defenetly tell you if is a real girl depending on the answer? Can you tell just from the greetings? Can you tell just from the profile? If a girl says homo in her profile and asks me into a room anyway, is that a sign or she's just confused about her sexual orientation? :P
I became somehow good at spotting fake girls but it's more of a feeling that something's off then a certanty, usually when the "girl" starts flirting I can tell, even thou most of them is looking for just quick sex and don't last past the third message lol.
Anyway I started this topic cause I heard stories about girls been deceived and became attached to a girl only to find out she wasn't a real SHE, your opinions and knoledge regarding the subject might be usefull to some new users who aren't aware of this lets' call it phenomenon and protect them from terrible revelations.
I don't know about you but being lied like that would piss me off and in the case of a reletionship, friendly or loving, finding out I was deceived would devastate me.
P.S. I wasn't sure where to start this topic so if it's the wrong section please Suzy or Tom feel free to move it to the appropriate section :D
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There is not really more than the feeling , but me i try all things a man is supposed not like . i mean for me there is two reasons fo a man to hide between a girl avatar :
1 - its an homo who want have access to more poses
2 - ist an hétéro who want fuck a lesbian
and generally , in the 2nd case they dont like be fucked (and less in ass) so i always domine new ones and fuck they everywere ass pussy and mouth , verry few men hiding behind a girl like that lol
for the first case , i dont really know , cause if its an homo he will love be fucked in ass , maybe less in pussy cause he have not in real hehe
and be carrefull too to the ones who use the words : baby , slut , bitch etc... i know some women talk like this , but its more a male language ;D
hope this help little ;D
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I knew Rukya would have had the right approach....show em the queen in action and guys will run like hell ;D
For words using I agree that slut and bitch it's strictly rude man talking unless a gilr likes bad words and dirty talk, but baby I find it quite common so to me it's not an indicator of a male behind that avi but that's just my humble opinion ;)
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oh i forgot a little tip who work sometimes hehe.
When youre in room beghin with the dance , and talk little . Then without warning tell " Are you really a girl ?!!" , if she quit the room , its probably one ;D
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oh and for the ones who have homo in their profile , i cant help , but be prudent too . Personnaly i had some women shown hétéros in their profile inviting me . Each time i ask them why a hétéro woman ask a lesbian to go in room :). and if the anwser seem strange , i say no :)
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it's not only cause they are fake, it's your dark side who scare a lot! ;)
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Most of the above mentioned, but also ...
* Real close up pussy shots on profiles
* "I'm a sexy girl" on profile note
* Overly aggressive attitudes when you talk to them.
Those really make me wonder.
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aggressive attitudeisn't a really good proof....just an hint
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For me it's a feeling from various things, how they talk, what interests them and how they clothe their avatar. I don't care much if they don't seem to be what they try to pose as, I guess it's because I'm a transsexual... it's not a very big deal to me.
What I can find troublesome is that I will have trouble enjoying myself with a man if he's playing as a female and I've told some that I wont room with them unless they log in as a male instead. I would have the same problem with a female playing as a male, her actions would be weird.
If a man plays a female really well I wont be able to tell and I wont worry about it either, imo I did in ways play with a woman anyway.
With shemales there's the whole range of different people, all the way from very hetero men who just think it's easier to find women as shemales and all the way to females who think it would be neat to have a cock. I've met them all and the only ones I don't like are the men that just does it to find females easier, they talk, walk and act like very hetero men so it's just weird.
Females playing as shemales doesn't bother me but I have to admit I'm a little lost as to how I should approach their "cocks", will they like it if I describe how I suck them or when I tell them how I squeeze them while they fuck me? I'm not certain on that, I've just treated it as if they wear a strap-on now.
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aggressive attitudeisn't a really good proof....just an hint
Her overall demeanor, straight off the bat ... not even in a room yet. Not saying it is conclusive proof, but makes me wonder. :-\
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I think you're right but we have to distinguish sexually aggressive and aggressive flirting. I don't mind sexually aggressive and direct women but I have the third line rule which for me is essential:
1st line always hi or hello or heya or similar
2nd line always how are you or similar
3rd line is what keeps me interested in the conversation and give me hints about the gender, if they immidiatly ask for sex then I'm almost 100% sure it's a dude. I prefer to refuse a cold invite then have a pleas fuck me as 3rd line
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and why do you talk to me medjai lol my first couple of lines to you weren't just that lol
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well with you was different, I already knew you from here u weren't a complete stranger ;)
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oh me and my mouth chatting away on the forum ;D guess i can't hide lol
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Heya!
What about me? lolz...
I have to say, that as a Bi-Sexual woman, spotting the fakes is relatively easy...
1. if a "Female" sends a cold invite without first trying to have a conversation, it's probably a guy under 25.
2. Guys between 25-45 tend to be a little bit harder to spot, but in the end they show their true colours through their use of words. (and hell no, I'm not going to spill my secret lie dector here, lolz)
3. Guys trying to be women have no idea what it's like, so just give up... besides, I think my ignore list is growing exponentially again... lolz.
okies... any questions?
Mwah!
AZRIELLE
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Tough question :-\. It is more about the *feeling* with some hint
- male in urge are generaly less talkative
- cold invite
- women generally love to answer with another question
For Rukya : Elles aiment tourner autour du pot :P
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azrielle , your first line is discutable , many girls made cold invits too , its not a male reserved attitude. About the use of words , its discutable too , take a french like me with limited english , i surely use words who are not "adapted" ;D (ex : cock , i know its a penis , but i dont really know if its a good or a bad word . ex 2 : pussy , if i translate it in french , it mean "chatte" , and this word in france is a bad word if we talk about feminine sex , but it seems to be a nice word in english) so its hard to juge just with words and cold invits ;D
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Words change a little in different contest......dunno, english peoples, if it sounds good using "penis" when a girl act like a dome....probably cock sounds rough and it fit better. be honest, hearing a dome girl telling you "Stroke hard your penis!" sounds ridicolous!
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maybe , little yes lol ;D
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Any cute and maybe feminine words for a penis? I don't like "cockette" and calling it snuff seems weird.
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I dunno which word you can use for calling it in a feminine way.....i leave this to you, girls! ;D
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hehe for this i cant help :) but maybe : banana or concumber (depending of the size) , or tail but in french its little weird , or cigar maybe lol ;D
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Oooook, now now.......did you think of using a banana like this, Paddle Queen!?
(http://78.140.139.245/galleries/deepthroat/deepthroatlove/noir/deepthroatlove-noir-1.jpg)
that banana looks really happy! ;D
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So how do you spot a fake girl? And by fake girl I mean a guy who's pretending to be a girl. Do you have certain questions that will defenetly tell you if is a real girl depending on the answer? Can you tell just from the greetings? Can you tell just from the profile? If a girl says homo in her profile and asks me into a room anyway, is that a sign or she's just confused about her sexual orientation? :P
I became somehow good at spotting fake girls but it's more of a feeling that something's off then a certanty, usually when the "girl" starts flirting I can tell, even thou most of them is looking for just quick sex and don't last past the third message lol.
Anyway I started this topic cause I heard stories about girls been deceived and became attached to a girl only to find out she wasn't a real SHE, your opinions and knoledge regarding the subject might be usefull to some new users who aren't aware of this lets' call it phenomenon and protect them from terrible revelations.
I don't know about you but being lied like that would piss me off and in the case of a reletionship, friendly or loving, finding out I was deceived would devastate me.
P.S. I wasn't sure where to start this topic so if it's the wrong section please Suzy or Tom feel free to move it to the appropriate section :D
This may appear tangential to your question, but it goes to the core question of honesty. Choices of "hetero" , "Bi" or "homo"
may lend to confusion or misinterpretation, especially when people don't read the profile carefully. For example, I am mostly Hetero, but love real shemales. I find most gentle in spirit, beautiful, and sensitive. However, I do NOT want to room with males. When I listed "hetero", I got no invites from Shemales. Therefore, I switched to "BI", but carefully explained, "No males" at the bottom of the profile. Now I am getting tons of unwanted invites from males. I am a polite person, so I answer diplomatically, trying not to hurt their feelings.
In summary, the three categories are restrictive and may exacerbate a few people to be misleading accidentally. ??? :-* :-*
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I understand what you're saying and I agree with you but people HAVE to learn to read profiles, I personally get a little pissed when people asks me questions they should already know reading my profile, and I'm not talking about complicate questions, small talk like where are you from? It's written in my profile or how old are you? there again it's written in my profile. Not reading a profile before chatting with someone imo shows a big lack of respect.
Anyway if an HOMO female asks me to room with her all I can think of is: DUDE ALARM RINGIN!
I refuse to believe there are so many girls that put HOMO in their profile only because they already receive too many messages from guys and this way they can contact only the girls they're interested in. It may be true for a couple of girls but I saw too many "sexual orientation crisis" among profiles latley.
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@hentai : hehe for info , my big mother always said , never say you dont like if you have never taste . Then i say , i dont like penis lol , but i like bananas :)
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i know what you mean medjai when people ask me questions that are on my profile that irritates me and sometimes i stop talking to them lol i know i'm harsh sometimes. When i'm in those moods though where anything sets me off, people probably don't want to hear what i have to say anyways.
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@hentai : hehe for info , my big mother always said , never say you dont like if you have never taste . Then i say , i dont like penis lol , but i like bananas :)
you said it, miss! ::)
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For example, I am mostly Hetero, but love real shemales. I find most gentle in spirit, beautiful, and sensitive. However, I do NOT want to room with males. When I listed "hetero", I got no invites from Shemales. Therefore, I switched to "BI", but carefully explained, "No males" at the bottom of the profile.
I and probably many more shemales doesn't want to hit on hetero men because many will turn us down and that just makes ones spirits sink. It always hurts when a man can't see me as a woman because I still have my penis, but in any case I really like hetero men, they tend to have the mindset I really like when we make love. :P
Your right about the Bi label though, if I really wanted to find a man to room with I would go look at the bi guys. Though one thing that nags at me about bi guys is that some might want me to fuck them up their asses and that's something I've never come to enjoy. If a man wants me to take control and take on a more dominant role I usually think of riding him like in the cowgirl position or such.
I understand what you're saying and I agree with you but people HAVE to learn to read profiles, I personally get a little pissed when people asks me questions they should already know reading my profile, and I'm not talking about complicate questions, small talk like where are you from? It's written in my profile or how old are you? there again it's written in my profile. Not reading a profile before chatting with someone imo shows a big lack of respect.
It's happened to me quite a few times, I really dislike it when someone asks me where I'm from when I've written Sweden very clearly on my profile. When that has happened I've never roomed with them since they've all annoyed me this far.
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Well, adera.......i can tell you this: i had received many invite from hetero men too (cold or not), so dunno what to think.
but i can't really judge this from the point of you of a real shemale, so maybe it's better if i leave it to you
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Oh, well I do like it when a hetero man starts chatting with me (if he's nice that is) and yes it happens often which is a good thing, but it's not often that I start a chat with a hetero man if my intentions are to room.
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In another thread, there was a discussion about hetero sexualism and bisexualism and gay. I agreed with the notion that it is a gliding scale, maybe even without absolutes. Though I see myself as a woman's-man, I do feel attracted to shemales if they are feminine from within, instead of wearing a shroud of being a woman.
Does that make me instantly bi? I know it discard me as a 100% straight guy.. In the end, the gender only matters so much. It is the personality behind it that makes someone interesting or not.
As far as discovering if the girl on the other hand is a girl is concerned, invest in chatting, getting to know someone before you jump in a room.The only way to have some confidence the person you are meeting, is more or less the person they say they are. Everyone here wears a mask, but most are here not with the intention to deceive..
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I wouldn't say that a man that likes shemales is necessarily bi, it of course depends in what way he likes shemales but most men I've been with are just open minded hetero men.
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Janine would call me het set :D I'm straight guy. But I don't make it depends on the physical body. If a shemale want to room with me and she wants to be the "man" then, I don't do it. If the shemale, like Adera, is feminini I don't have a problem. SHe then is a girl with one more tail as usual.
But we have to take care. This thread is about spotting fake girls.
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Well, many men use to be fake shemale too for advantage of the situation for gift too, you know.....not so pertinent whit the subject, but really closed to it
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But we have to take care. This thread is about spotting fake girls.
Well the topic doesn't exclude irl, there it would for example be to spot me as a trans in a group of females. ::)
Well, many maen use to be fake shemale too for advantage of the situation for gift too, you know.....not so pertinent whit the subject, but really closed to it
There is that... and the whoring, the whoring is partially responsible for why quite a few men play as shemales or females. A side effect of that is that people get the wrong picture of shemales, annoys and confuses me when females come onto me like she would at a man and treat me as such as well. Can't tell you if those are fakes or not because I've most often lost interest before I've got any further feeling of that person.
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well, accept my apologize for all the men who are doing this.......i really respect you Adera and Stephanie too. You are more stronger then many many men.......and me, of course!
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You don't have to apologize hentaiboy, your being honest about it. :)
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now you are make me blush, my dear! :D
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In another thread, there was a discussion about hetero sexualism and bisexualism and gay. I agreed with the notion that it is a gliding scale, maybe even without absolutes. Though I see myself as a woman's-man, I do feel attracted to shemales if they are feminine from within, instead of wearing a shroud of being a woman.
Does that make me instantly bi? I know it discard me as a 100% straight guy.. In the end, the gender only matters so much. It is the personality behind it that makes someone interesting or not.
As far as discovering if the girl on the other hand is a girl is concerned, invest in chatting, getting to know someone before you jump in a room.The only way to have some confidence the person you are meeting, is more or less the person they say they are. Everyone here wears a mask, but most are here not with the intention to deceive..
You are, as usual, eloquent and have captured my sentiments exactly. I would add that, even in a game and wearing a mask, we
should sincerely feel our partner's emotions, in addition to the physical pleasure. :)
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Kittens back to post for fun:
I can understand peoples frustrations on this topic.
The fact that they are being lied to regarding their partners online is something that people can take extremely personally. Mainly because of all the emotions they invest in them. Makes it no different from being lied to in real life .. it feels like you have been physically cut. (I know from personal experience of that fact)
Everyone has made good points ranging from the increase in whoring in AChat to the attitudes/ramifications to that act.
My opinion is one of slightly naive trust ... I believe that people are all who/what they say they are ... I like coming on to just enjoy chatting with people not necessarily having to play around with them. That being said the naive trust ends if it wants to be expanded from here .. having an honest attitude at the beginning is the best approach with AChat.
My opinion on people that fake their gender to be on AChat ... playing the devils advocate is that they are doing it for the same reason why many people join AChat to get instant gratification. Denying them this may lessen their presence. However like anyone I can tell very quickly if I am talking with a guy/girl behind the avatar.
Best solution I think that can combat this is (without being overly intrusive as a business)
1. Allowing Gifts to be done throughout all Sex types available. [takes away the mercenary people to a point]
2. Be cautious and reserved to the point if you believe this person is lying to you then simply stop talking to them and ignore. [let them find someone else]
3. The only reason why the whoring (yes even with guys playing as girls) works is that people have it as a resort and take it ... or are too lazy/horny and need immediate satisfaction ... life doesn't provide that neither should AChat members. If everything related to it takes too long you will notice people drop off.
Ok now another side of a pov. Those of us that are actually girls should not have to prove that we are girls by people demanding us to do so it kills the fun for us. Gender-faking unfortunately is directly related to why people take that approach its unfair that it occurs but understandable.
So the only thing i can think of here is that if you believe a person is not whom they say they are do not join. If they seem to desperate then its a warning sign though not a guarranteed one. And others that people have suggested above.. Like I have said before in the forums ... its important to protect yourself first.
The best thing you can do is decide... one way or the other.. its up to you.
PS. My experiences I am aware are not the same as others but I have my attitude that works for me and doesn't impede the fun if i choose to have it. Or the conversations with people I have on AChat.
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I think you put it in a good way Kitten. :)
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I think you put it in a good way Kitten. :)
ty Adera ... i just put it in as devils advocate after all there is always many sides to an arguement. :)
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I absolutely agree to most ofthe points that have already been stated to the topic. Even though its a bit odd that we talk about it here because men faking girls could read this information here and use it to better impersonate a female :-). But it may also lessen their fun in doing it.
These are the points I consider indicating a guy faking a girl:
- Invitations from a female character to avatars like mine that are saying "hetero" in their profile. Not all women are sexually interested in women. I guess real females would be sensible enough not to try inviting such a woman while a horny men in a female character would. For me, I am absolutely straight (unless a good male friend of mine asks me into a MFF threesome), so I do not reply to such invitations as I think it must be a man.
- I consider the whoring mostly a phenomenon on men faking their gender. Even though I understand that a "whore play" can be nice between friends and bring some salt into the soup. Though that must be developed by two characters in their relationship. Therefore I would say that the general requirement of payment to go into a room is an indication for fake girls. For me, I pay for my stuff myself. I could anyone show my credit card invoices to proove. I usually deny receiving gifts from men as I do not want to owe them something. Or my lover and I decided to pay our rings ourselves so that it would be as if one gifted the other (which is unfortunately not yet possible for females to males).
- Direct questions to have sex. And i do not mean the questions about sexual interests or experiences. I guess (like for me) even females like to talk about sex. But i guess no woman would ask in the first three sentences if somebody wants to fuck with her? What do you mean? I guess most of us women want to talk in the begnning and get o know a potential sex partner at least that much that we could consider them for a one night stand :-)
- Close up phtographs of a vagina are definitely not what a female would do!
And these are the points I consider NOT being an evidence of a men faking a girl:
- Language: I personally think there is no better way to describe a penis as cock or dick. I have never heard it different in American teen movies like American Pie which I think it is the usual English word to say to a penis (which i think is much too medicinal as well as vagina). Therefore I also call my pussy what it is. So I guess the use of certain words is not really and indicator. People are just too different and females from certain countries (e.g. Germany) might be also more open-minded, experienced and outgoing than from other countries.
- Dirty Talk: Hell, I love to talk dirty while having sex. While doing it why not tell the guy directly what you want them to do and do not make a poem out of it. But it is only hot if the guy is also able to use another language level while in general talk and sex discussion. Again, people are very different and even girls like dirty talk.
- Anal sex: see above (dirty talk) - my explanations are exactly the same
- any other kind of fetish or sexual interest (except for illegal ones): I guess people are just that different that you cannot say a latex or high heel fetish is just focused on guys so that a female character with all the high heels would indicate a guy faking a girl. The world is not just black and whit ebut it is grey and i think you will find this grey in AChat.
Well that was a very long statement. I hope it expressed my point of view to this topic understandably.
Daniela
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Hi Daniela
Even though its a bit odd that we talk about it here because men faking girls could read this information here and use it to better impersonate a female :-)
I'm sure they don't read this forum. Also I'm sure even if they do they aren't able to implement what they are "learning" here. If they do, they must have a big empathy - then they can act like real women and it's ok ;)
I agree to most of your statements, but there is one I disagree: Asking for A$ isn't a typical male phenomenon. There are a lot of real girls doing it.
At least their is no sign which is unique. Here are people from many different countries with many different cultures, backgrounds, languages, ages... which makes it hard to decide. I just can say, I'm sure to discover most of men playing girls. But I also know, I have fallen into tthe trap too :D
And looking back to the time I have spent with him, with this knowing now, I do not see any sign - he was really very good, not just during sex - we also talked a lot. small talk and private things too - I still wonder. But I'm not angry - it has happened, nobody is hurt and at least he really was nice and wonderful. Probably he feels more like a woman - then we have to ask ourselves, is it ok to play a girl, if you're a man but feeling like a girl?
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After reading all three pages of this thread I have to wonder why no one cares about women picking up male avatars and masquerading as men?
Heck, at the height of the recent LGBT protests we had on here Adera flat out said she was considering getting a female avatar so she could make love to men like she wanted to, and no one blinked.
Which leads me to ask WHY this discussion is so focused on fake females?
Since this type of thread seems to start up every 8 months or so I will just repeat my reply and say that while everyone has their ways that they are "sure" they can spot a man masquerading as a woman, I've yet to hear one that is actually sure.
The only way we could be certain is if we would surrender the anonymity we enjoy here, and go through some some of verification process, and I don't think anything could kill AChat faster.
In 34 days I'll have been here two years, and one thing I've learned over that stretch of time is that your options come down to accepting your lovers here as they present themselves, or stop playing AChat.
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You're right Janine and I'm sorry if I seemed "sexist" in my opening, I now realized I should have considered the opposite pov too and I apologize for that. That been said I have nothing against who choose a different gender for reasonable reasons: they feel more like a woman or a man inside or as you mentioned the case of Adera.
As I explained in my opening post I opened this thread cause I though a post like this, where people give their advice on how to avoid being deceived by those that fake their gender just because they think they're gonna get layed easily, would have been usefull to avoid being hurt by those who doen't care about your feelings but just your body.
And for the whoring phenomenon I think that it's not a sure indicator either. But now that we brought up this subject don't be too influenced by it, fortunatley Achat is full of nice girls and guys to chat and be around with so be optimist and go out there to find theme, it's worth it I promise ;D
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It was not anything directed at you personally medjai.
This post does come up on a regular basis, and it's always worries about men impersonating women. That's why I brought up women impersonating men, or Adera's thoughts on getting a female avatar so she would have viable options for being fucked by men, because those aren't mentioned.
This thread has been playing out like all those before it, and I just thought it time to mention the other gender options, and say that I've never heard of a way to be truly sure that anyone here would agree too.
I just don't see what there is beyond that truth. Women can be butch (or whores, or non-native speakers, or any of those other ways people are sure means they "must" be men), and there are those who are using this because they feel more like one gender or another inside as you stated.
Deception is bad of course, but for me at least part of AChat is that I can be entirely open with things I can't share in real life.
I mean yeah, I'm out and proud as a gay woman, but I'm not nearly as vocal about my Domme side because that can REALLY mess up your life if that info gets into the wrong hands.
Here however I can express that part of me openly and honestly because you guys DON'T know the rest of me. The irony being that our anonymity can allow us to be honest in ways we constantly lie about in our day to day lives.
So, again, for my $A .02 while I am gay and therefore stuck on the female avatar I'm honest enough with myself to know that I don't know WHO is at the other side of the screen. Ultimately I feel it's better I don't, I would loose too much of what brings me here in the first place.
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Janine a little hint :
Maybe because it is a male hetero who asked the question.
It seem logic for his gender/orientation to ask the question like this and not "how you detect fake male" ?
why this tread come so often ? Maybe because it is an important matter for hetero males ?
(And let's go on the males cliches)
It can be important for lesbians/bisex womens/transgender who do not like being abused if they chose to be with a woman.
Now if the question "How to detect a fake man" is really important for you :
Why you do not open a new post ? ::)
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Daniela I am going to have to disagree with you on some points. The others I definitely agree with you
- Close up phtographs of a vagina are definitely not what a female would do!
One of my girlfriends has posted photos of this type on another site that she uses as more or less a joke. However she reconsidered after so many perverted messages. So its not that wont be done just something that is very rare and is easily regrettable.
And these are the points I consider NOT being an evidence of a men faking a girl:
- Language: I personally think there is no better way to describe a penis as cock or dick. I have never heard it different in American teen movies like American Pie which I think it is the usual English word to say to a penis (which i think is much too medicinal as well as vagina). Therefore I also call my pussy what it is. So I guess the use of certain words is not really and indicator. People are just too different and females from certain countries (e.g. Germany) might be also more open-minded, experienced and outgoing than from other countries.
- Dirty Talk: Hell, I love to talk dirty while having sex. While doing it why not tell the guy directly what you want them to do and do not make a poem out of it. But it is only hot if the guy is also able to use another language level while in general talk and sex discussion. Again, people are very different and even girls like dirty talk.
- Anal sex: see above (dirty talk) - my explanations are exactly the same
- any other kind of fetish or sexual interest (except for illegal ones): I guess people are just that different that you cannot say a latex or high heel fetish is just focused on guys so that a female character with all the high heels would indicate a guy faking a girl. The world is not just black and whit ebut it is grey and i think you will find this grey in AChat.
I agree with these points the reason why is ... Language is so varied from country to country even to family level as well. Personally I don't like dirty talk that much ... I rather hear moaning in pleasure over the dirty talk that being said like anyone i can get into it. As for a sexual preference being fetish or anal we all have them on some level thus it cant be an indicator.
After reading all three pages of this thread I have to wonder why no one cares about women picking up male avatars and masquerading as men?
Heck, at the height of the recent LGBT protests we had on here Adera flat out said she was considering getting a female avatar so she could make love to men like she wanted to, and no one blinked.
Which leads me to ask WHY this discussion is so focused on fake females?
Since this type of thread seems to start up every 8 months or so I will just repeat my reply and say that while everyone has their ways that they are "sure" they can spot a man masquerading as a woman, I've yet to hear one that is actually sure.
The only way we could be certain is if we would surrender the anonymity we enjoy here, and go through some some of verification process, and I don't think anything could kill AChat faster.
In 34 days I'll have been here two years, and one thing I've learned over that stretch of time is that your options come down to accepting your lovers here as they present themselves, or stop playing AChat.
Excellent point Janine. I think the main reason why that is is that one Medjal is a guy and he has been hurt ... so he focused on his personal experience. So not that he wasn't aware more along the line he didn't consider the fact.
Another point is men from what i have seen become very insecure when their sexuality is pulled into question. Which if they are believing they are dealing with a guy over this when they thought it was a girl. Makes them wonder and get very concerned over it. I think the term is "Question Ones Manhood"
Ultimately people cant be sure aside from the vibe the best thing is people being defensive without having it impede their fun.
Personally I did react to Aderas suggestion and if memory serves talk to her about it after. So there wouldn't have been a post anyway.
I think we all enjoy the anonymity that we have here and like having fun. The verification would definitely in my opinion make them loose business.
I am over all personally accepting of my lovers like i said earlier i believe they are what they present or claim that they are. While i may have another vibe that does not impede the fun.
Deception is bad of course, but for me at least part of AChat is that I can be entirely open with things I can't share in real life.
Here however I can express that part of me openly and honestly because you guys DON'T know the rest of me. The irony being that our anonymity can allow us to be honest in ways we constantly lie about in our day to day lives.
I'm honest enough with myself to know that I don't know WHO is at the other side of the screen. Ultimately I feel it's better I don't, I would loose too much of what brings me here in the first place.
Exactly how I feel Janine. I could not have said it better.
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I'd like to clarify that I haven't tricked anyone with my female account, all I did was switch to it before going into a room with a man I had been chatting with with my shemale account.
I haven't tried it even once with another shemale or female... even if I would like to see the double ended dildo pose first hand. :P
I can tell you the name of my female account if you like, though I'm never online with it so there isn't much use.
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Adera I dont think anyone believed that you would be tricking someone with your female account just the fact you would be using the more options available in the MF poses.
For you and I Adera we have a big timezone difference ... matching up can be difficult plus I am not often on because of how busy I am in real life now.
But if anyone in general would like to show Adera the pose :) I think you both would enjoy it. I will also look for you on your main profile if i am on so you can see first hand. :)
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Kitten said it already Adera... I had no doubts, I was just using you as an example that it's not quite so black and white as the past three pages painted it. It's THAT I had no doubts that I used you as an example.
For Urban... you seem to be suggesting that I open a thread to get information that I have implicitly stated I see as dangerously unreliable (ways to determine a persons true gender online) about a subject I have no sexual interest in (men).
An actual in AChat example of this sort of thing playing out with the names removed because I'm not sure who was innocent.
This was in roughly my first three months in AChat, definitely still in my slutty stage where I still hadn't grasped quality vs quantity. Now A was inventive and passionate, but insistent to the point of obnoxiousness, and seemingly determined to be the first person I dropped from my list.
Then comes along B. Now, I can't remember if I started talking to her on my own or if she contacted me, but eventually she told me that she saw A in my lists, and heard that A was actually a guy.
Now from A's behavior I was actually ready to believe it, but I've never been one to put stock in gossip so I started asking for details, and her "proof" was that she had heard it from others, but wouldn't tell me how they knew. When she listed her others a guy named C came up and C had already earned himself a place on my ignore list for prickishness above and beyond the call of duty.
Since everyone involved was questionable I just went with my earlier impulse dropped A and got clear, because it didn't feel like someone spreading the news about a bad player, it felt like those bitchy girls we all knew in high school deciding they didn't like someone and were going to make their life miserable.
B actually said she was out to make A leave the game.
I never heard one scrap of actual proof then, and I'm not hearing any here, and that's what worries me. That behaviors that we simply find obnoxious are being used as "signs" worries me. That the first three pages seemed more like that mob worries me.
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I think it's important not to forget all ways in this as Janine says, but I guess it's only fake girls that are important to hetero men.
Adera I dont think anyone believed that you would be tricking someone with your female account just the fact you would be using the more options available in the MF poses.
Kitten said it already Adera... I had no doubts, I was just using you as an example that it's not quite so black and white as the past three pages painted it. It's THAT I had no doubts that I used you as an example.
Thanks girls. *hugs*
I don't think of myself as having a pussy when I've played with my female account (even if I would've liked to have been born with one ::)), I've referred to the fucking as being anal all the time and such since I was only after the poses. I could probably RP at having a pussy and I'm pretty sure I would enjoy it but that's not something I'm going to do unless my partner really wants it.
For you and I Adera we have a big timezone difference ... matching up can be difficult plus I am not often on because of how busy I am in real life now.
But if anyone in general would like to show Adera the pose :) I think you both would enjoy it. I will also look for you on your main profile if i am on so you can see first hand. :)
Yeah, why do so many of you live on the other side of the world. ::) :P
I don't really want to bring this up with females... unless they're friends but even then I don't feel the need for it much.
Humm move in rhythm with her, feel our buttocks touch, someone changing things a little and catching the other one slightly unprepared... oh I'm pretty sure I at least would enjoy it very much. :P
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for me , the best thing to do is (if you have a doubt about who is in the other side of screen) , ask him / her . After this you have two possibilities :
- 1 you trust him / her anwser and you go in room
- 2 you dont trust him / her and you can stop all
you know some are honest , i yet talk to females avatar who spontaneously told me that thay are men in real ;D
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very interesting! many good and wonderful things said here... if we are honest, i believe the main reason it's more important to a man is men are MUCH more emotional than women. in general (dangerous term) i think men tend to take things more seriously in here and forget it's a game. if you start to fall in love with someone, it will be devastating to find out the love of your life is a man! lol. ditto for gay women, although for them, i just think they are actually emotionally stronger than men, so it's more of an annoyance. in the end, if you can't tell the difference, there IS no difference!!!! i have thought of creating a female avatar just to try to experience the feminine side of things. i don't think i am gay or bi, but i LOVE having my ass played with (including insertions) just as i love playing with hers. have known couple of she-males/trannies in rl, and i would have been proud to go out with them on my arm. @Adera, would love to play sometime! ::) all that said, my rl love, who i met here, wasn't in her actual avatar when we met and liked each other. when she felt it might go farther, she told me at once, risking entire relationship. she bravely said, "I HAVE to tell you something!" i was praying to myself "please don't tell me you are a guy or only 17yrs old!".... that was the worst things i could think of...
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I have had my eyes opened by this thread, but I still agree with Janine that this is a fantasy site and unless I am going to meet the person behind the avatar in rl (and that will never, ever happen!) I don't really want to know.
Point in question someone purporting to be very female roomed with me the other day/week, my o/s wife told me that she had suspicions that they were really a man, I had had the same feeling myself (yes you do get a feeling....) but "she" was very nice and frankly I didn't care!
I lol'ed about the photo of the pussy observation............... there are lots and lots of girls on here showing not just their bodies but their faces too, so how does that stack up?
When I first came here, I was very hetero and still am in rl, I was also lonely and insecure, why else did I want to explore a fantasy "Chat Room". The first person I formed a relationship with was (os) a dark-skinned she-male. Unfortunately he got too emotional and having exchanged e-mail addresses, he told me the truth and sent me a picture of the real him. It turned out he was a white teenage boy from the Netherlands. I had begged him not to and that is why I don't give my e-mail out. He seems to have left the site now, so who is better off for knowing?
I enjoy a good "session of hard sex" (as a girl, I apparently won't say fucking) with a man, but I have to say that as in rl, most of the men here are either neanderthal or uncommunicative. I did say most because I have found some lovely men on here, (see my friends list) but I have also found some lovely She-males and some lovely ladies (or for the sceptics, alleged ladies!).
I regularly submit to anal sex on here, but (see lot's of advice I have received in previous posts) I have not yet experienced same in rl. This could be because no-one has ever asked for it, but I have to say that it's not something I'm going to rush into.......
If the thought that someone you are rooming with might not be who or even what they say they are really frightens or worries you then I think you are unlikely to have fun on here.
Get a life GUYS!
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@Chasxxx: We'll find the time for it someday I'm sure. ;)
Well said Blue, I also think it's important to first and foremost relax and have fun here or it's just a waste of time. Laughing at you comment that you can't say "fucking with a man" as a girl, that wouldn't change my view on you. :D
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@Chasxxx: We'll find the time for it someday I'm sure. ;)
Well said Blue, I also think it's important to first and foremost relax and have fun here or it's just a waste of time. Laughing at you comment that you can't say "fucking with a man" as a girl, that wouldn't change my view on you. :D
I agree with you both, Denim & Adera! It's a game, (and a freaking awesome one, I think) so in keeping with the true spirit of this thread... Keep it shiney side up, let the smoke rise after the lightening strikes, and have fun with our game partners.
mwah!
AZRIELLE
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Ok, now its time for my two cents worth - I am a woman, a bisexul woman period. I have been accused by a few of being a male. The first time I cried and seriously thought of leaving AChat for ever. I am a tomboy, raised around my brother and his friends. I have always enjoyed doing 'manly' things. Working on cars and such, hell I am a maintenance Electrician in RL. My point is some females are more femine than others.there are some males more femine than me, I know that.
For me (using a male set of words) I dont give a Fat Lazy Pregnant Rats Ass what their orientation, or gender is in real life!!! On Here I believe that people are who they say they are... I take them at their word. And I think others should to, cause what does it matter. unless you are going to meet in real life, and that aint happening for me. Just yesterday, i had a good time with a user that said she was 14, I knew she wasnt, but I treated her as such and had a nice chat.
We have to realize that we are on a Fantasy sex site. Emphasis on Fantasy!!! If a man wants to play as a woman and seek out his femine side, we as good members should encourage it, who knows we could help out somone in RL and maybe find out something about ourselves too. I Just dont see what all the uproar is about what you "really" are. My spouse and good friends on here are very special to me and I look at the personality, not the orientation or gender. The only reason I look at the gender is because I know what poses I have and what I dont have. Other than that Who Gives A Shit!!!
Language, I was raised around males and I have worked in Industrial setting for most of my life doing the work usually associated with males, so I talk like a man sometimes, I use the words Fuck, Pussy, Cock and Cunt. Penis and vaginia sound like a 12 year old to me. In the heat of sex I say Im Cumming, not OH I am Arriving. If some of you think that this makes me seem like a man, well then its your loss, I am confident in my sexuality.
I feel a post on this topic is a waste of time, now users will spend more time trying to figure out what gender a user is instead of just having fun, which is what his site is for anyway, isn't it?
Thanks for letting me vent. And I hope I havent offended anyone
Bonnie Butler (NewGurl)
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I am not offended what so ever, NG. In fact, I applaud you for speaking your mind!
Mwah!
AZRIELLE
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Bonnie, you remind me to a girl i know in Florence........a really good friend i miss so much (i don't see her from summer of 2010). eh eh he! we call her "truker" usually cause she is direct and sometimes a bit rude, but she is really pretty!
btw, Bonnie this is your personal point of view on achat and i like it! but at the same time, i can understand peoples like Rukya and Janine (both lesbian) don't wanna have in her bed a guys. same thing for hetero guys.......what happend if you feel something for someone and then u discover she is a man!? first of all, he betray your feeilng, then dunno what can happend.
bonnie, be proud of your self and u don't have nothing to regret.
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It was honest and direct and I appreciate it so thank you Bonnie for speaking your mind ;)
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Umm Hentai, you might want to look back. I was the first to REALLY start saying "Who cares?"
For me the avatar has to be female because sexually I am attracted to the female form. Sorry, how I'm wired.
As far as the person operating that form, I don't WANT to know them in real life... that's not to say I can't care about them, but I think you already get what I am trying to say.
I want AChat to have that level of separation, but to use it you have to at least accept it's there.
To try to pierce it is to rob yourself of much of the point of being on here, and to possibly steal from wonderful souls like New like that first time she described someone calling her a guy.
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My apologize, Janine,....i was using you and Rukya like example just cause all we kmow your sexual orientation.....i can us Inazuma, it's the same.
wasn't in my mind hurting or joking whit you.
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It's not an actual problem HB. ;)
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hehe its not a problem for me to be an exemple ;D
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Thanks, girls! you two are allways nice! ;)
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Janine said it first AND best. If you can't tell, what does it matter? Actually, her thought was more why waste time even worrying about it. relax and enjoy the experience! You're here for fun and action. have both! in real life, you don't like every man/woman you meet. treat it the same here. if you feel uneasy about someone, don't 'room' with them.
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Janine said it first AND best. If you can't tell, what does it matter? Actually, her thought was more why waste time even worrying about it. relax and enjoy the experience! You're here for fun and action. have both! in real life, you don't like every man/woman you meet. treat it the same here. if you feel uneasy about someone, don't 'room' with them.
Agreed! The minute one discovers deception in any relationship, trust is destroyed, and attraction with it. On a fantasy experience why actively seek out this potential disappointment? ::)
And one more personal observation: "attitude" supersedes "gender" for me. For example, the other day I was trying to politely initiate a conversation (perhaps clumsily?), and the woman replied, " I am on here to chat. Just not with you." :o Regardless of gender or physical attributes, that person makes my "ignore" list. In summary, if you are "faking being a girl or shemale", don't tell me. Just be polite and sensitive, and I will do my best to respond. :-*
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A bit rude......just to be polite! what had she eat fo breakfast!? bread and insanity!?
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I have to line up behind Janine. I think she has the right idea. When I was more available back in the fall, I noticed a similar thread to this... or maybe it was the same, I don't know. And sorry if I am kicking at the dead horse since this topic has quieted down, but I find this idea kind of curious.
Curious mainly because it's a game, and the avatars on the screen are only idealized representations of ourselves. I am not a sleek, 20-something, dark-haired beauty.
I'm sorry, Tight, I hope I didn't break your heart <smiles>.
This doesn't mean I don't want to be, but I am in entering my 40's, married with a darling little one, and perhaps not as trim as I could be. Being promiscuous and sleeping with various men and shes is not something that's available to me, and won't be. I wouldn't do it even if I could. Does that mean I shouldn't fantasize about being a sleek professional that is able to woo men with a flick of her eyelashes - because that isn't really who I am IRL?
Maybe I can separate myself from the avatar because I am a writer, and what is often called a "gamer girl." I play MMOs, and I role-play characters in those MMOs. The characters aren't me. I am not a dark elf necromancer that kills halflings for sport. When I personally walk down the street, I step around the ants on the sidewalk. But halflings are just so irritating!
Does this mean men shouldn't be allowed to see what it's like to be on the receiving end of sex? Or vice versa with women experiencing what it would be like to be on the giving end? It sounds like the idea is being made to seem the gender-benders are up to some insidious plot, like they are dirt bags for lying and cheating, when we ourselves stay behind computerized representations of our own idealized image.
I list myself as bi. I am not interested in women, but I will certainly group with them if a he or she is involved. It is a curious fantasy. And maybe I will try a scene with a girl. Am I bad for saying I am bi when I am really not IRL? Should we all, therefore, undergo a strict entry evaluation just to access AChat to ensure we are exactly what we project in the computer world? Up top it says "AChat: Virtual Sex and 3D Sex Game." It says nothing about a real world dating site.
Yes, you can often tell if a guy is playing a girl. It is just the way some things are portrayed. I don't care. If I can connect with the female avatar, and the male on the other end, so be it. If a girl is playing a guy, oh well. If they connect with me, I will room with them. It doesn't bother me to think that a girl might be pleasuring herself on the other end. What pleasure I get is the interaction of my character with their character, not me with them. I am not going to date them. I am not going to have a relationship with them outside of AChat.
What strikes me as kind of ironic is that a great deal of hentai comics and animations are done by males. It is so plainly obvious. And yet men will happily masturbate to them, even though they were written, animated and drawn by men, for men. Yet there is no demand that they be done solely by women.
But really, if it is so worrisome, there are other options... like e Harmony, and other actual dating sites.
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Welcome back Avalucia.
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hmmm hello Avalucia . I dont see why you talk of hentais , i dont see what they have to do here :o . with a hentai (writen by a man or a woman is not important) the reader is alone he can do what he want . Here he or she is not alone , so he she abuse the partner
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hmmm hello Avalucia . I dont see why you talk of hentais , i dont see what they have to do here :o . with a hentai (writen by a man or a woman is not important) the reader is alone he can do what he want . Here he or she is not alone , so he she abuse the partner
are you talking about your self, paddle queen!? ih ih ih!
btw....no, hentai are not only draw by man.....i'll remember (years ago, maybe more then ten) a japanese femela artist who draw hentai was kidnapped and raped! don't remember who she was
ooops, i forget....wellcome back, Avalucia!
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hehe no i abuse nobody , all my true friends in achat know that i like little use the paddle ;D
I know it Rukya, but you never use it on me :(
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Whhaaaaaaaat!? Are you kidding, blue!? i can't believe it! Paddle Queen, what's up!? i can't recognize you! :o
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Rukya, I just can't get enough of French redheads, ones that spank are just a dream come true!!
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Medjai, it seems there are no new awarenesses. Would you lock it?
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Sure Lover np ;)