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I am ready here and i has sent the pm to the Admin,they can decide now what to do.

Good.  The Achat Gods can read this topic  any time they wish.

My question still stands and ask that you or your house clarify the rule on banning members.

What is your policy in regard to this banning of members ?

HGO is right - I just wouldn't say the rules are under attack.

Members of HDSR, can we agree you think about some of your rules and clarify them? Maybe they aren't bad in your intention, but does every member understand them correct?

And those who cancelled their friends or lovers after joining this group - can you explain your reasons? If you want, you can send a pm to the mods and don't do this in public.

Thank you. Hopefully this clarifies your house rules now.

i wanna explain a few things now,we (HDSR) has no BANNER POLICY,we dont command to ignor or delete any one from any list,our members are in our group for RP and the rules are only for ROLEPLAY. The BLACK LIST are a few names from ones the do things they would no one allow here.   THINGS they are in a few countrys forbidden !    And when a new one has cancled another one ,it can be that it was as i told the new one : IT CAN BE that someone makes trouble when this one realize ,that you are a member from HDSR. that was not a command to cancle and ignor anyone.   EVERYONE who join our GROUP comes without any pressure from us ,they come to join for play with us our FANTASY BDSM ROLEPLAY ,we dont control any one ,they like to be sub,dom or switch and they like what we do.  

PLEASE NOTE: HDSR and it's member's mean NO ill will to ANYONE.. HOWEVER, certain individuals conduct themselves with such simple offenses as repeated & unwarranted attacks, accusations, RUDENESS, DISHONOR, DOUCHEBAGGERY, ASSHATEDNESS and TOTAL disregard for decorum, the RULES of the REAL Leather Lifestyle code of conduct and/or perhaps even the legal issues addressed in our RULES above against those into real victimization that they are to be PERMANENTLY IGNORED by HDSR Members!  Those Listed below are not charged or accused with any particular offense but are those known to have proven themselves outsiders we collectively choose NOT to play, room or speak with!





~~ THESE are the ENEMIES of The House of DARK STONE RISING!!~~ @))-;--'--;------ ~~  MASTER DANTE'S sHIT LIST!!! ~~ THESE are the ENEMIES of The House of DARK STONE RISING!!~~ @))-;--'--;------ ~~
(( **ALL MEMBERS of HDSR collectively accept that those listed have given sufficient abuse, misconduct towards and/or offence to one or more members of their family, be they Owner, Affiliate or Owned, that they are encouraged to avoid interaction with and Ignore with the rest of us!  THIS LIST does not include those who may or may not be IGNORED by individual members of personal insults or just simply not getting along with some of us but getting on well with others!  All members may play with whom they wish of course, but those who make the list , most if not all of us are fed up with!**))

I bolded the part that's unethical, since it happened, its written that it will happen, and you're just saying its not, I'm gonna go ahead and call you a liar lol

I really suggest that one of you send a copy of this "shit list" to the moderators. if it turns out I wasn't on it, it might help your case, and if known harassers who have received prior complaints are on it, it looks more legitimate.

as far as if I am actually on it, one or 2 of your members apparently accused me of illegal activities and I'd like proof of those allegations.

Yes I really think the moderators should get an unedited copy of the list.

Especially as.....


The BLACK LIST are a few names from ones the do things they would no one allow here.   THINGS they are in a few countrys forbidden !

and

THERE is no REAL LIST! WE HAVE ONLY A FEW NAMES FROM ONES THEY DO young INCEST AND OTHER BULLSHIT ! You get it now ?
and also if they are on it for breaking this rule

NO slave or member of HDSR will engage in illegal activities or those which encourage pedophiles such as - AGE/Child play, incest or violence against children, severe tortures, force rape (ooc consent RP possible), Scat/shit play, actual prostitution (they can accept & encourage gifts),  bestiality/beastiality/animal play

Which would make the ones on your list also accountable to the administrators as they violate Achat TOS also laws in place to protect internet users in general..

Is Tg is being accused of any of these things ? Improperly accusing someone of such things is actually illegal in it's self.

Thanks Amber, for your long and detailed post.

I hope, this clarifies  most of the questions which have been asked.

Let me add, if you or any other member is using the report-butoon in game, none of us mods is informed. The report-button sends the chatlog straight to AChat. If someone wants to let us know, you have to send a copy of the chatlog to us, as pm in forum.
Though it's always the best, if someone is attacked, offended or threatened, to use this button. We only can offer our help, we can mediate and we can talk to AChat, but faster and better is AChat of course. Also we (luckily) don't have the power to ban members.

TG, I'm sure you won't be happy with this answer. It's clearly said, you are not on any lists, because there is no list. Though some members have been warned, saying you could cause troubles.

Which gives another question, something Roxxy asked too: If members leave you, cancel and ignore you and then join a group, are they your friends? Or has something happened, between you and them, which was the reason for their behave? I don't know the answer and I don't have to know it. It's just between you and them.

Nobody else posted, saying this has happened too. For now, this makes me believing, the reason for being ignored is a personal one and not forced by the HDSR.

We could discuss about someother rules. But for now, I don't think it would be correct. HDSR is a group, which is fair enough to publish their rules. How many groups do we have, who don't do this, knowing their rules are against TOS?

HDSR, I offer my help if you want to rethink some of our rules. When I say I, I speak for all mods.

Closing, I want to say, I expect the argue is over now. HDSR explained their rules and TG got what he wanted too: A discussion about it and a question to be answered.
I expect, only if you have a new point, a question or any objectiv content, to post it in a gentle tone. Thanks!

Lots of unfounded claims about me in there champ. I never sent a death threat first of all, the only "threat" i ever sent to you guys was that I was going to expose you for making people delete or harass me if you continue to make them do it. You probably can pull a few quotes with me flipping out at members sure, but I seem to remember getting emasculated and targeted each time. It's not nice to have people to which my relationship with is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS delete me randomly. You never get to live that down once it happens, and it's happened 3 times. Those things don't unhappen and I'm going to continue telling people that they happened. You can't put me on a shit list because I didn't shut up about unethical behaviour on your part, you will be held accountable.

First, one of your subs started talking to me daily for a few weeks pretending to be my friend, she actually started out harassing me and speaking in an unfriendly manner until I told her to go away, then she stated she liked me etc. She asked for a gift as a whore but since she was acting like my friend I gave it to her. but to give details i casually asked her to come to the room 1 on 1 and she asked for the gift, after which she refused to room me 1 on 1 and pulled me into 2 lousy threesomes which I neither like nor asked for. obviously offended that I didn't like the 3somes she started being increasingly rude to me to the point where she was asking me lovers to delete me if they wish to speak to her. this is the point where I realized she had ignore listed me. This is probably the first girl you will claim I harassed, but I remember she dished as much as she took, on top of behaving unethically.
Now you heard all of this, and I don't even think I was the one who ultimately complained to you guys about her, but none the less another girl completely unrelated to the situation was asked to unfriend me, this girl sent me a pm claiming she still wanted to be friends but she didnt want to get in shit for having me on her list. You guys didn't really have a right to do that, you poisoned a functional relationship of mine with drama and decided you were too good for it.

now the next girl, she had mentioned that she was asked to unfriend me and told you guys to screw off, so I know theres a few of those around too, she started emasculating me when i told her I was fed up with slave culture and didnt really like the same kind of play as her. I don't think she claims I abused her though.

somewhere between the point where this girl was repeatedly chatting to me and emasculating me, a certain sub mistress of your house came and started talking to me, my stance at this point was to avoid contact with anyone wearing your tags, but they were still finding me, the thing is that this girl was acting as if she was scripted to come ask me for gifts, like someone told her how much I paid the first girl, she wanted to pull the same scam. when she realized I wouldnt play that game she outright told me to pay her or fuck off.

the thing is i cant remember masses of cases where I even talked to your members long enough to harass or abuse them. these are false accusations. I know immediately following this recent deletion I did tonnes of shit but this is the 3rd time you guys crossed that line and the 7th time you guys crossed a line, you declared war and didn't expect retaliation

TG, you say they started it, HDSR say you started... probably the truth is in the middle of both.

Can we all agree, everyone stops it now and all "live" together in AChat without mutual recriminations?

Thanks Amber, for your long and detailed post.

I hope, this clarifies  most of the questions which have been asked.

Let me add, if you or any other member is using the report-butoon in game, none of us mods is informed. The report-button sends the chatlog straight to AChat. If someone wants to let us know, you have to send a copy of the chatlog to us, as pm in forum.
Though it's always the best, if someone is attacked, offended or threatened, to use this button. We only can offer our help, we can mediate and we can talk to AChat, but faster and better is AChat of course. Also we (luckily) don't have the power to ban members.

TG, I'm sure you won't be happy with this answer. It's clearly said, you are not on any lists, because there is no list. Though some members have been warned, saying you could cause troubles.

Which gives another question, something Roxxy asked too: If members leave you, cancel and ignore you and then join a group, are they your friends? Or has something happened, between you and them, which was the reason for their behave? I don't know the answer and I don't have to know it. It's just between you and them.

Nobody else posted, saying this has happened too. For now, this makes me believing, the reason for being ignored is a personal one and not forced by the HDSR.

We could discuss about someother rules. But for now, I don't think it would be correct. HDSR is a group, which is fair enough to publish their rules. How many groups do we have, who don't do this, knowing their rules are against TOS?

HDSR, I offer my help if you want to rethink some of our rules. When I say I, I speak for all mods.

Closing, I want to say, I expect the argue is over now. HDSR explained their rules and TG got what he wanted too: A discussion about it and a question to be answered.
I expect, only if you have a new point, a question or any objectiv content, to post it in a gentle tone. Thanks!

I disagree, what amber said does nothing to prove that this girl deleted me for personal reasons. Only the girl can prove it really, but I'm going to reiterate: I NEVER HAD A SINGLE FIGHT, INSULT, OR BAD WORD THROWN IN ANY CONVERSATION WITH THIS GIRL EVER. Would you like all my chat logs from the last month? even then its missing time stamps for times when i was like not online or sleeping etc and people will just argue i deleted it. It's impossible to prove something was NOT said via chatlog.