I read more of the fetish of Master/Slaves(Subs) plays
Special to the old books from John Norman, what was the run in the 60s and 70s.
Now these days we got 50 shades of grey 
I like to give my thoughts and copy of good sources free to enjoy to read.
The danger I see in a online world is, when some players ACTING in there choosen roles and some player take it to serious into real life.
That dont mix well.
Real life and online roleplay are 2 very diffrent things.
Dont hold it against someone who "play" a role. Let them have there fetish ( fun)
The REAL person might be a very "normal" human with a boring life , running to make the living and paying the bills like everybody else in the real world
DONT GET PERSONAL !!!
NOT in here, its ACHAT a pixel world.
So now a few things about the GOR WORLD you might have read some lately
my source are homepages of other players of other games ( wont put the name in but I let you know its not MINE )
//source knowen
Judicial Magistrate of Gor.//
Gor is not what many people think it is. That's because many people learn about Gor from websites, and do not realize that what they are seeing is in most cases misleading, or outright lies about the way things were on Gor in the books.
One thing people do to mislead others is to use incomplete quotes, or even fake ones that infer that things were done in a way they want it to be done, and not as it was in the books.
Even some of the very few decent looking sites online have problems with them.
For example the ever popular Gorean Reference site. If you go by what they say, you will believe that all free Goreans dressed the same, as there is no mention of what is worn other than the styles of dress common to the central regions of Gor. The site has a limited focus on a specific region of Gor, and that makes it useless for any other regions. People learning about Gor from that site, would have no idea that they were learning about a limited region and would see it as all of Gor. They would be wrong...
To give the sites creator credit, what they do have is accurate for that region of Gor, but with the introduction of 3D worlds such as XXX, and XXX, it is no longer enough to cover a specific region, because these 3D sites allow people to recreate entire worlds, and all of their peoples with all of the diversity that comes with them.
Most of the sites online were created to support a specific groups html Gor. If you are not familiar with html Gor, it is typically focused in one location (city or people) with little to no contact with other places or people on Gor.
Gor is a planet of massive diversity in that it contains people whose roots not only come from all over Earth, but also from various times in Earths past. These people brought with them not just their languages, but the beliefs and ideas of their people and times.
As pointed out above, 3D site formats for Gor allow various groups to interact with each other in ways that html Gor would not, and that means that with the virtual worlds created by these 3D clients there will be a diversity in the cultures,
and that is great for the RP.
The downside of this though is that it leaves an opening for another huge problem that plagues online Gor and that is people who say it is not important to learn about the way Gor was in the books, or that you can do it however you please.
The problem with that is that other people in the same community, may be trying to do things right, and the make it up as they go along attitude causes drama and chaos in everyone else's RP.
Not to mention the fact that many of these make it up as you go along people try to force their rules of RP on others in the other groups homes.
It's ignorant, and extremely selfish to take that attitude as it accomplishes nothing but create drama for everyone..
They have a reason for doing this though, besides just being lazy.
It gives them more power and makes them invulnerable to attack.
Unfortunately, it creates nothing but drama for everyone else...
Gor was a world of great diversity, but it also had strict rules set down by the worlds creators. Some people RPing Gor often forget or choose to ignore the concept of rules that all Goreans had to live by.
I remember a pirate once that ran around for a year with flint lock pistols who knew about the ban on fire arms, but chose to ignore it. He threatened others with them because he knew that there was nothing the others could do. He role played the way he wanted to, and screw everyone else.
Now, you might be wondering why people don't just ignore the people that are causing the drama. Simple, it's very hard to ignore a three year old when they are screaming at the top of their lungs to anyone that will listen. That is essentially what happens when people doing things their way don't get what they want.Here's an example of something that happened a while back.
A free woman, we'll call her Lucy, and lets say that she was from Corycus, was visiting another cities room when she noticed a free women in the room acting what she considered slavishly.
In the books the woman would have turned her nose up at the slavish woman, and the gossip to follow would have ruined the slavish woman, that is if the act were not brought to the attention of the courts, where she could have been sentenced to slavery for the act.Now back to our example.
Lucy as stated saw this act happening in a city that was not her city, so what does she do?
Why she does what any proper woman would do in her version of Gor, she leaps to her feet and kills the woman. That's right, she commits murder in a city not her own, and sees nothing wrong with that.When people pointed out that her act was not just fucked up, but down right stupid,
her defense was that it is her RP, and she will do things her way.
The question for Lucy should be, what about their RP, doesn't it matter?
What makes her so special that her actions can have no limits, and her rules can apply anywhere she chooses?
That's not role play, that is someone living out a fantasy.
Remember this, as it is very important.
The laws of a city extend no further than its walls. Outlaw of Gor, Page 50
That means the laws of one city, or even a people cannot be used in another city as a defense, or a means of punishing someone outside of that city. Gor did have rules that were a controling force though, the laws of the Priest-Kings and Merchant law, and both should be followed by everyone if they want an RP with less drama.
As to the city laws, imagine what life would be like here on Earth, if police from other countries could arrest you in your home for violating laws of their country. While you were sitting at home in your country, where that alleged crime is not against the law..
When in any other city, you are subject to the laws of that city, for good or bad, but if they try to use any law against you, it must in all fairness be published somewhere where it can be shown to you, and it above all must have a time and date stamp like those used in groups to prove that the law was not just created to trap the person. Whether that law is a quote from the books, or one made up to suit that groups needs does not matter.
This has to be the case, for the simple reason that many people are capable of creating a law on the spot, and then claiming that it has always been there.
Going some place and violating a law of that people is a crime, and if that crime is one quoted from the books, it does not matter whether the one who broke the law follows the books or not. It was their choice to visit that place in the first place, and if they cannot follow the rules of other cities, then no one has to obey that persons laws. In fact, that persons city should be ostrasized by others until they either banish the person, or turn them over for punishment to the city where the crime was committed..
To have good role play, there has to be both uniformity and co-operation between cities and people to the extent that they all follow the basic laws of Gor, and agree to abide by the laws of any city that they may visit. My example is for people who break laws such as the above case, because she was there in that city at the time, and as everyone should know, Gor does not have teleportation for quick escapes.
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ANOTHER QUOTE I like to shareREAD AND THINK
ONLINE Gor and slavery -- There are slave girls. Most of which (but not all) are either on some form of psychoactive medication or tip the scales somewhere between 250 and 400 lb.
Of course, there are the girls that meet both of these criteria.
These girls are not submitting to these men. They are not there out of some spirit of service, or because they have a slave's heart.
They are there because they think allowing some schmuck to whip them, beat them, and call them "Dina" is the only way they can find love, or be accepted by what passes for a master online.
Most of these masters are completely unable to handle a woman who is not either, so insecure she cannot believe anyone could want her, or actually mentally or physically broken. That is not mastery. That is pathetic. As to the male slaves I have had little experience with them on here, so I cannot say anything about them at this time.
Is the Gorean lifestyle even possible online? - Unlikely. Most of the men I see drawn to it are either seriously afraid of women (and thus desire to hurt and subjugate the thing they fear) or men who like the kinky aspect of the spanky/slavery stuff, or even those who are just in it for an ego trip.
However, many are at heart just nice guys who would like a girl to make their coffee and warm their bed.
Alternatively, there are some who are just complete asses on an ego trip.
(An example of which is any so called master who has more slaves than he could possibly have any use for.)
I have heard "YOU CAN'T ROLE PLAY A GOD" (which if you have been reading my page you have seen where I have stated that it is not my intent with this account)
This shows what the mindset of all too many people is on here, they are not thinking in terms of learning something new,
but in terms of simply playing a game and nothing more. Unfortunately, someone forgot to tell them, that the "game" has 29 books worth of information that are the basis for the rules.
As you can see, there is no philosophy required in such cases. This indicates just how far away from the books and the philosophies some of these people are.
Turns out, in real life, you can't just go kidnap a woman, slap a brand and a collar on her and call her yours, nor can this really be accomplished online, though it seems that many self proclaimed Goreans try to ignore that fact.
The women are little better.
I have seen Free women of the red caste saying that they are warriors, and that is not possible,
they would know this if they got off their fat asses, and took the time to read the books.
Where with careful study they would see why there were no red caste female warriors, such a concept was completely outside of the philosophy of the books and would do the caste more harm than good in the end.
Most people just call themselves Goreans and never bother to read the books. Instead they depend on online FAQs and online references for their information, which more often than not contain erroneous information about Gor, and the Gorean lifestyle.
If people are actually too lazy to even READ a philosophical text for themselves, the philosophy has little hope of ever being practiced as it was written.
Speaking of laziness, when people do role play Gor online they make up for the fact that they are not really there by being descriptive and online you see the opposite.
I see and hear the free and slaves bitch and complain about long detailed and quite poetic entrances being performed by some of the extremely few kajirae worthy of the name online, and the really sad thing I see is the free allowing the slaves to get away with the half assed "HI I'm here" entrances you see on here.
"Role playing" is basic human nature and a certain amount of it is not only inevitable, but healthy for the psyche. Portraying a "role" in a game is a form of play, and it can be quite fun. In and of itself, playing is not harmful, even when it involves role playing. The harm comes when other people don't understand that it is just a game to them, and more importantly, when someone intentionally preys upon that lack of understanding and chooses to practice and maintain deception.
There are also a large number of people who role play at being Gorean who don't know what it means to be Gorean.
These people just make it up as they go along or use any of a large number of web resources that have incorrect information that was posted by others who knew nothing of what it means to be Gorean.
Also there can be a lot of damage done when people role play and take it all as real, while the others in their group are just pretending to be Gorean.
What I mean is don't say "I love you" to someone online, unless you really do, or talk about getting together in real life unless you know for a fact that both you are both being serious and not playing a part or unless the person knows that you are just playing a character..
In certain cases online chat and avatar-based roleplaying can be harmful for the following reasons :People run around online and proclaim that they are something they are not.
This can take many forms, but these are the most common I have seen
(How many of you have chatted with girls that show you a pic of a porn star or model and they claim it is a real pic of them self? ) Or met someone online and later find out that the "girl" you were chatting with was really a guy, or the guy was really a girl?
This is harmful, because many people become strongly attached to others online and this kind of deception can seriously harm them.
Then you get into the more extreme situations I have heard of.
I have heard stories of people packing up what they owned and moving cross country to be with the one they "loved" online, only to find out when they got there that they were lied to about a great many things.
The same thing goes with the Gorean lifestyle online, we have all met people who say they are Gorean (Vampires, Werewolves, Demons, etc) when none of those creatures existed on Gor,
and countless times I have heard girls say that they are real life kajira that are allowed to be kajira online, and considering how small the real Gorean community is,
I find myself laughing at those that say it, because a vast majority of them are full of shit.
(You're NOT a real life kajira if you are NOT really with your master, being a kajira online or over the phone does NOT count.)
Why is this harmful you ask? I will tell you why.There are quite a few people proclaiming to be Gorean online, and quite a few of them are truly interested in learning the ways of Gor, but they get lost on their way to knowledge because of the massive amount of incorrect information and utter bullshit found online about Gorean culture and Philosophy.
What is wrong with learning to do Gor the right way, the way it is in the books?
Everything is in the books, in plain easy to understand English, and contrary to popular belief the books are quite clear on how things are done.
Some claim that there is not enough to do other than sit around and chat and pretend, but that is very untrue, there are Gorean games that can be played in public or even private rooms that can be quite entertaining.
I have recently seen a by the books and legal according to Gorean merchant law, slave raid to take a slave from a self proclaimed Gorean Master who had lied to the girl to get her into his collar, and then had refused to release her when she begged for release.
( YES, Slaves could beg for release in the books.)In fact they even have papers that were issued to slaves that were freed so that they would not be taken as a runaway.
I hope I do not have to explain this, but a true Master never has to lie to get a girl to wear his collar.
This is just a small example of what is possible
Owners of public rooms can get together and arrange raids with the owners of other (participating) public rooms to spice things up and still follow the path that is shown in the books without having to use things such as fake languages, and other such garbage.
Our original criticism of Gorean-themed role playing occurred simply because other people did it poorly and incorrectly, due to misinformation about Gorean customs, practices, places and languages as depicted in John Norman's Chronicles of Gor. To the more knowledgeable Gorean aficionado, the resulting mish-mash of pseudo-Gorean/bdsm/vampire/etc fantasy dreck was worthy of nothing other than contempt and ridicule.
So take some time and read and if you need help finding the books or have questions, please leave me a message and I will get back to you as soon as possible.
The desire to help someone who truly wishes to learn is why I am still here.
I do not come here to role play Gor, I come here to teach those who are interested in learning about Gor.
I do not teach the Gorean words from the books, because we already have words that cover most of what is on the list of words from the books that are understood by all.
What I teach are the customs and ways and help guide people to the mentality of Gor.
I wish you well.
***the guy who wrote that article
WELL much to read , wasnt it
I just wanted to point out that diffrent between real and a role play figure.
Role Play can be fun , if you like your role and the story.
If you dont like STOP playing- dont think if you role play a slave bitch and be pushed around HE MIGHT LOVE YOU...pffff if thats the case
he wont do that to you....:9
So keep the ground under your feet
Stay real if feelings real play as long you like the play
with that I hope I made a nice informative post
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