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You guys got me.
Next to post is Miss Sexilicious.
The accusations of racism, and division comes with the territory when donning the flag. Though the people who support the flag may not themselves, be racist, they should be aware of what baggage it does bring when displaying it; being responsible and accepting the good along with the bad it carries. It's a heavy burden that people can choose to either walk away from or accept.
Again, I judge those who do display the flag individually. I look at the context in which they display the flag and make my own determinations. You, along with the very, very, few people I personally know who support the flag are not racist. I came to the conclusion long ago, and personally know you do not display it with any malicious intent. I may not agree with your views on how the flag should be viewed, but I'll defend you against those who label you a racist.
So many birthdays…
Alright, lets get crackin'. *rolls up sleeves*
Stone
To the Britishish, Brit I know, I wish you a Happy belated Birthday. Here are some smashing pictures of Hugh Jackman to celebrate your birthday!
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Sexilicious
A big, big, big hug to my very sexy friend Sexi'. May all your naughty birthday wishes come true, and may you continue to pet more goats. :
ZoerinkA big belated b-day shout out to the pirate out at sea. Just remember, there is one O in Zoerink. *tip of the proverbial hat*
MimusI don't know you, but a happy belated birthday. Your name reminds me of Samus, so pictures of Samus!
Glad to see you jumped on board the Achat forum train.
I wouldn't mind competing in a fashion competition. I think I'll look good in a tube top. :
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Smell like Teen Spirit.
Most Americans are or should be aware of the past history the Union had with slavery. If you're making the argument that the U.S flag should share the same level of guilt and shame like that of the Confederate flag because of its association with slavery (or if you're making the argument that we should abandon all arguments that one is more righteous over another and simply enjoy the flags any which way we want without relying on past history), then I say I find a fault in your logic.
The difference between both the Confederacy and the Union is this: slavery was only a part of the history to the latter, while it was the entire history of the former, because the Confederacy ultimately dissolved with the end of the Civil War. To use an idea from Sartre, “An entity is defined by what it does during its existence, and nothing else”. The Confederacy lived and died, and during its existence, always stood for the full-throat, violent defense of slavery. The U.S were and still is, given that opportunity to change, shift policies and correct mistakes much like every individual has that right to redeem themselves. Essentially, the U.S flag has the luxury to move away from past mistakes (in this case slavery) because it has survived long enough to correct those mistakes, unlike the Confederacy which doesn't have that same opportunity.
If we were to go by your logic (again the one I think you are insinuating) then all flags, be it American, French, or British would carry no honor or virtue because of their past historical mistakes. These nations and the flags that represent them, are still able to aspire to the ideals that make them virtuous.
I am sorry if that doesn't seem fair. If others may feel that the Confederate flag should have that same right as other flags to shift away from any negative symbolic connotations and focus more on the positive connotations it does have. To diminish the subject of slavery -one of the defining legacies the Confederacy has- is an attempt to rewrite history.
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The views on the Confederate Flag is a complicated subject for most Americans. It's a topic that can often get heated and tense considering the history behind the flag.
I typically judge the display(ers) of the flag individually, depending less on the popular generalizations of the day, associated with bearers of the flag. What I have learned is that a reasonable, and even understandable argument can be made for displaying the flag. If the argument is made that it represents Southern culture and identity, then that's reasonable enough. If the argument is made that it represents peaceful dissent against a growing Federal (U.S) government that is over stepping its bounds and must be checked (the rebels I respect), then that is fair enough. The last point especially is an admirable point; one that I find difficult to argue against, considering the recent expansion of Federal authority here in the U.S.
However, it is also completely understandable to see why so many people (particularly those who are African American) have an issue with the flag being displayed. It may have evolved to mean Southern autonomy, state rights and Independence, and a spirited rebellious attitude, but for many it means only one thing: an approval of slavery. Again current bearers of old Dixie may have moved away from racial aspects of the flag it once represented and instead focus more on what I consider just reasons for displaying the flag, but at the end of the day, it is a difficult to overlook the dark history surrounding it; one that provided a despicable justification for slavery (hiding behind the protective shroud of free, hyper Capitalism and state rights).
It's with this aforementioned aspect that I personally struggle with the most. I often wonder if the other positive justifications for displaying the flag are out weighed heavily by the tragic choice the Confederacy made with the issue of slavery. Is this point alone enough to warrant an abandonment of the flag (on a public/state level at least)? That's a question that I often ask or asked when discussing this topic of the flag.
Having said all that, I do agree with most that the meaning behind the flag has changed and that we must be careful in judging those who display it. They have a right to display the flag. I also wouldn't consider most who do wave it proudly, racist.
At the same time, I say to those who do display the flag to be aware of the complex racial undertones it does bring, and to be mindful of that fact when engaging with those -who in my opinion- have just cause to be taken aback by its display.
@ Blue A red head and a butt?
*lookst at Mr. Paxton* Your line.
Luckiest Mayor on the planet. Also, great fashion sense, rocking that 19th century look.
Tiger Blood.
Couple of Birthdays missed by me :-[ . Like to wish long over due birthday wishes to:
Bear
(because your birthday recently passed, I'll forgive you for being an Oregon fan)
Wetbone
Old_GoatHisGirlOnly
Thanks for being a dear friend and being so darn ditzy. Perk up and celebrate. *huggles*
And BrandyBeeThanks for all your wisdom and patience, Miss Breezy B.
*sigh* Alright, now let me look for a hunky cowboy picture.
Now THOSE are bubble-butts, mine looks nothing like that honest!
Blue, having red hair makes up for the lack of the badonkadonk booty. :
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