SHOWER WISDOM. A pondering…

I think it off… anything of value… a thing, person, idea will be seen with either end of the emotion. His comments imply there is potential for both… yet I am at odds with this.

Case in point… the birth of my chidren…  there never ever has been sorrow in that I have felt only joy… I cannot see sorrow there in their arrival.  Sorrow is a possibility but for a different reason… their loss… never for the fact of their birth, in that the concept is not related.  Their existence is exclusive of sorrow. Had they not been born… well I cannot see sorrow… they would have been unrealized only.

Joy is the fulfillment of an aspiration… sorrow a loss,… denial of fulfillment. We may feel sorrow permentently because of it's capacity of lack of fulfillment (as in death) as in permenet joy (as in birth) , each concept is exclusive of the other.  but in some matters sorrow can turn to joy as our desires are met. We find sorrow in lonilness..unrealized love… satisfied by temporary gain… lost again… do we sorrow over unrealized love? no we sorrow over the that which gave us pleasure now gone….

What brings us sorrow may be overwelmed when we focus on something other. I may lose a child… but my joy is that I had them.

When I focus on that… the fact of experiencing someone in our life… their loss is not lessened… only redirected.

His comments to me… poetic… but seriously off base.

Thanks Hothiro for sharing your thoughts. It's more philosophical but I like it and it's another progress for this forum.

For me it means joy and sorrow are two sides of one medail. Sorrow and joy only exist, because there is both.
In compare with rain and sun… you also can enjoy the sun when you know the rain and vice versa. No one can be happy if every day is a happy day – we ease to a situation and habit kills joy. Of course we don't wanna feel bad, don't wanna be sad. But only if we know there is sadness, there is sorrow, we really are able to enjoy joy and happiness.

I also see another meaning in these words. Sometimes we believe something that is happening is the worst that might happen… but in these moments we develop, we activate our power and strength, we learn – and make progress in our life. We get stronger. Sorrow is the first step to joy if you understand in this way.
We usually also learn from the mistakes we make, not from the success we have. Success involves the risk to get lazy, to have deadlock. Which is the first step to failure. Joy is the first step to sorrow in this way.

People wanna avoid pain and look for fun – this is the way our brain is working. Most of us try more to avoid pain then to search for fun (even if its hard to believe for some). So even in our brain sorrow and joy belong together. The biggest motivation we have is if we combine both.

Thinking back on some of the friends I have made on here and other games. I would have to say that since this is where I have made the closest of friends and allowed them deeper into my heart, there are a couple of things that kind of go along with this thought. One of the first thoughts I think about is how if none of these closest friends who bring out the most delight in me are around or on I can sink into such a sad depression because my heart longs to have them around and be with me. On the other hand, when opening my heart up that much those who bring me the greatest delight can also bring the most saddest times because what we do together deeply impacts me and my feelings. At least that is my thoughts when it says to focus deep in your heart. Going deep inside where those special relationship lie, can and will bring the greatest delight in a persons life and also sorrow where it could even get close to breaking a friendship and sometimes it does.

Well, my friends…..about the words posted by Hothiro, i think we have a good example with Fannini!

it's real, when something or someone caught us so deep in our feeling, when we lost it or we found it's all a lie, happyness disappear and leave space to dadness and bad feeling!

But on the other hands, i don't think the opposite it's so true……or this is my impression! dunno why, but it's so hard to forget what hurts our feeling, but it's so easy to forget what make us feel good when it end! it's in human nature, maybe, being a little sadistic at last!? i dunno….

I see……but Lover, from my point of view, the conseguence is the connection between them.

Of course those two feeling exist in everyone, but it's really hard to feel them at the same time, maybe just in some particular case.