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      (Philip Larkin 1922-85 .. this is  a product of it's time
      it can't be universal as I know of many exceptions
      but it also rings true for many… I just love it's wry humour)

      This Be The Verse
      By Philip Larkin

      They fuck you up, your mum and dad. 
          They may not mean to, but they do. 
      They fill you with the faults they had
          And add some extra, just for you.

      But they were fucked up in their turn
          By fools in old-style hats and coats, 
      Who half the time were soppy-stern
          And half at one another’s throats.

      Man hands on misery to man.
          It deepens like a coastal shelf.
      Get out as early as you can,
          And don’t have any kids yourself.

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        A Russian speaking philosopher wrote of Ivan Turgenev
        “by temperament Turgenev was not politically minded. 
        Nature, personal relationships, quality of feeling –
        these are what he understood best, these, and their
        expression in art.  He loved every manifestation of art
        and beauty as deeply as anyone has ever done.”

        I agree but I am biased having read his poetry and a
        few novels. 

        The Sparrow
        Ivan Turgenev

        I was returning from hunting, and walking along an avenue of the garden, my
        dog running in front of me.

        Suddenly he took shorter steps, and began to steal along as though tracking
        game.

        I looked along the avenue, and saw a young sparrow, with yellow about its
        beak and down on its head. It had fallen out of the nest (the wind was
        violently shaking the birch-trees in the avenue) and sat unable to move,
        helplessly flapping its half-grown wings.

        My dog was slowly approaching it, when, suddenly darting down from a tree
        close by, an old dark-throated sparrow fell like a stone right before his
        nose, and all ruffled up, terrified, with despairing and pitiful cheeps, it
        flung itself twice towards the open jaws of shining teeth.

        It sprang to save; it cast itself before its nestling … but all its tiny
        body was shaking with terror; its note was harsh and strange. Swooning with
        fear, it offered itself up!

        What a huge monster must the dog have seemed to it! And yet it could not
        stay on its high branch out of danger…. A force stronger than its will
        flung it down.

        My Trésor stood still, drew back…. Clearly he too recognised this force.

        I hastened to call off the disconcerted dog, and went away, full of
        reverence.

        Yes; do not laugh. I felt reverence for that tiny heroic bird, for its
        impulse of love.

        Love, I thought, is stronger than death or the fear of death. Only by it,
        by love, life holds together and advances.

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          Please forgive a second poem by Turgenev.
          This person thinks highly of it and so takes
          a liberty and posts it.

          The Fool
          Ivan Turgenev

          There lived a fool.

          For a long time he lived in peace and contentment; but by degrees rumours
          began to reach him that he was regarded on all sides as a vulgar idiot.

          The fool was abashed and began to ponder gloomily how he might put an end
          to these unpleasant rumours.

          A sudden idea, at last, illuminated his dull little brain…. And, without
          the slightest delay, he put it into practice.

          A friend met him in the street, and fell to praising a well-known
          painter….

          'Upon my word!' cried the fool,' that painter was out of date long ago …
          you didn't know it? I should never have expected it of you … you are
          quite behind the times.'

          The friend was alarmed, and promptly agreed with the fool.

          'Such a splendid book I read yesterday!' said another friend to him.

          'Upon my word!' cried the fool, 'I wonder you're not ashamed. That book's
          good for nothing; every one's seen through it long ago. Didn't you know it?
          You're quite behind the times.'

          This friend too was alarmed, and he agreed with the fool.

          'What a wonderful fellow my friend N. N. is!' said a third friend to the
          fool. 'Now there's a really generous creature!'

          'Upon my word!' cried the fool. 'N. N., the notorious scoundrel! He
          swindled all his relations. Every one knows that. You're quite behind the
          times.'

          The third friend too was alarmed, and he agreed with the fool and deserted
          his friend. And whoever and whatever was praised in the fool's presence, he
          had the same retort for everything.

          Sometimes he would add reproachfully: 'And do you still believe in
          authorities?'

          'Spiteful! malignant!' his friends began to say of the fool. 'But what a
          brain!'

          'And what a tongue!' others would add, 'Oh, yes, he has talent!'

          It ended in the editor of a journal proposing to the fool that he should
          undertake their reviewing column.

          And the fool fell to criticising everything and every one, without in the
          least changing his manner, or his exclamations.

          Now he, who once declaimed against authorities, is himself an authority,
          and the young men venerate him, and fear him.

          And what else can they do, poor young men? Though one ought not, as a
          general rule, to venerate any one … but in this case, if one didn't
          venerate him, one would find oneself quite behind the times!

          Fools have a good time among cowards.

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            Sanity
            By Caroline Bird

            I do kind gestures. Remove my appendix.
            I put my ear to a flat shell and—nothing.
            I play the lottery ironically. Get married.
            Have a smear test. I put my ear to the beak
            of a dead bird—nothing. I grow wisdom
            teeth. Jog. I pick up a toddler’s telephone,
            Hello?—No answer. I change a light bulb
            on my own. Organize a large party. Hire
            a clown. Attend a four-day stonewalling
            course. Have a baby. Stop eating Coco Pops.
            I put my ear right up to the slack and gaping
            bonnet of a daffodil—. Get divorced. Floss.
            Describe a younger person’s music taste as
            “just noise.” Enjoy perusing a garden center.
            Sit in a pub without drinking. I stand at the
            lip of a pouting valley—speak to me!
            My echo plagiarizes. I land a real love plus
            two real cats. I never meet the talking bird
            again. Or the yawning hole. The panther
            of purple wisps who prowls inside the air.
            I change nappies. Donate my eggs. Learn
            a profound lesson about sacrifice. Brunch.
            No singing floorboards. No vents leaking
            scentless instructions. My mission is over.
            The world has zipped up her second mouth.

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              Larkinesque
              By Michael Ryan

              Reading in the paper a summary
              of a five-year psychological study
              that shows those perceived as most beautiful
              are treated differently,

              I think they could have just asked me,
              remembering a kind of pudgy kid
              and late puberty, the bloody noses
              and wisecracks because I wore glasses,

              though we all know by now how awful it is
              for the busty starlet no one takes seriously,
              the loveliest women I’ve lunched with
              lamenting the opacity of the body,

              they can never trust a man’s interest
              even when he seems not just out for sex
              (eyes focus on me above rim of wineglass),
              and who would want to live like this?

              And what does beauty do to a man?—
              Don Juan, Casanova, Lord Byron—
              those fiery eyes and steel jawlines
              can front a furnace of self-loathing,

              all those breathless women rushing to him
              while hubby’s at the office or ball game,
              primed to be consumed by his beauty
              while he stands next to it, watching.

              So maybe the looks we’re dealt are best.
              It’s only common sense that happiness
              depends on some bearable deprivation
              or defect, and who knows what conflicts

              great beauty could have caused,
              what cruelties one might have suffered
              from those now friends, what unmanageable
              possibilities smiling at every small turn?

              So if I get up to draw a tumbler
              of ordinary tap water and think what if this were
              nectar dripping from delicious burning fingers,
              will all I’ve missed knock me senseless?

              No. Of course not. It won’t.

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                Two short untitled poems
                by Emily Dickinson

                A charm invests a face
                Imperfectly beheld, –
                The lady dare not lift her veil
                For fear it be dispelled.

                But peers beyond her mesh,
                And wishes, and denies, –
                Lest interview annul a want
                That image satisfies.


                Love is anterior to life,
                  Posterior to death,
                Initial of creation, and
                  The exponent of breath.

                #168728
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                  This humorous verse is from an anthology of
                  mediaeval lyrics found in Munich in the early
                  19th century.  It had come there with other
                  flotsam after the dissolution of the monastery
                  of Bendictbeuern in upper Bavaria and is now
                  part of the better known collection, Carmina Burana.

                  The handwriting of this verse is 13th century.  Most of the
                  verses were more serious based on complaints on fortune,
                  and attacks on simony. But there are also love songs,
                  drinking songs, songs in praise of the vagabond order,
                  a profane gamblers' Mass and a few beggings songs.

                  Most verses were anonymous as is this one, written
                  by one of the many wandering latin scholars of the
                  time, who like the Latin tongue knew no frontiers:
                  “Swift and unstable as the swallows .. hither, thither,
                  like a leaf caught up by the wind or a spark in the
                  brushwood, we wander, unweariedly weary.”

                  The Grace of Giving
                  (Vagans loquitur)

                  Right and wrong they go about,
                    Cheek by jowl together.
                  Lavishness can't keep in step
                    Avarice his brother.
                  Virtue, even in the most
                    Unusual moderation,
                  Seeking for the middle course,
                    Vice on either side it, must
                  Look about her with the most
                    Cautious contemplation.

                  You'll remember to have read
                    In the works of Cato,
                  Where it is plainly set forth
                    “Walk but with the worthy”.
                  If then you have set your mind
                    On the grace of giving,
                  This of first importance is,
                    He who now your debtor is,
                  Can he be regarded as
                    Worthily receiving ?

                  Giving otherwise is but
                    Virtue by repute,
                  Naught but relatively good,
                    Not the absolute.
                  But would you be generous
                    With security,
                  Have your glory on account,
                    Value full with each amount,
                  Hesitate no more, but give
                    What you have to me.
                   

                  (notes are taken from a text by Helen Waddell)

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                    Two Poems by Wendy Cope

                    Bloody Men

                    Bloody men are like bloody buses –
                    You wait for about a year
                    And as soon as one approaches your stop
                    Two or three others appear.

                    You look at them flashing their indicators,
                    offering you a ride.
                    You're trying to read the destinations,
                    You haven't much time to decide.

                    If you make a mistake, there is no turning back.
                    Jump off, and you'll stand there and gaze
                    While the cars and the taxis and lorries go by
                    And the minutes, the hours, the days,


                    Flowers

                    Some men never think of it.
                    You did.  You'd come along
                    And say you'd nearly brought me flowers
                    But something had gone wrong.

                    The shop was closed.  Or you had doubts –
                    The sort that minds like ours
                    Dream up incessantly.  You thought
                    I might not want your flowers.

                    It made me smile and hug you then.
                    Now I can only smile.
                    But, look, the flowers you nearly brought
                    Have lasted all this while.

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                      Pity the Beautiful
                      By Dana Gioia

                      Pity the beautiful,
                      the dolls, and the dishes,
                      the babes with big daddies
                      granting their wishes.

                      Pity the pretty boys,
                      the hunks, and Apollos,
                      the golden lads whom
                      success always follows.

                      The hotties, the knock-outs,
                      the tens out of ten,
                      the drop-dead gorgeous,
                      the great leading men.

                      Pity the faded,
                      the bloated, the blowsy,
                      the paunchy Adonis
                      whose luck’s gone lousy.

                      Pity the gods,
                      no longer divine.
                      Pity the night
                      the stars lose their shine.

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                        Long Island Sound
                        By Emma Lazarus

                        I see it as it looked one afternoon
                        In August,— by a fresh soft breeze o’erblown.
                        The swiftness of the tide, the light thereon,
                        A far-off sail, white as a crescent moon.
                        The shining waters with pale currents strewn,
                        The quiet fishing-smacks, the Eastern cove,
                        The semi-circle of its dark, green grove.
                        The luminous grasses, and the merry sun
                        In the grave sky; the sparkle far and wide,
                        Laughter of unseen children, cheerful chirp
                        Of crickets, and low lisp of rippling tide,
                        Light summer clouds fantastical as sleep
                        Changing unnoted while I gazed thereon.
                        All these fair sounds and sights I made my own.

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                          I've always liked Emerson for the way he described all prayer
                          as being a disease of the intellect – a little like the lottery although
                          with that you have a chance of having your prayer answered.

                          The Past
                          By Ralph Waldo Emerson


                          The debt is paid,
                          The verdict said,
                          The Furies laid,
                          The plague is stayed,
                          All fortunes made;
                          Turn the key and bolt the door,
                          Sweet is death forevermore.
                          Nor haughty hope, nor swart chagrin,
                          Nor murdering hate, can enter in.
                          All is now secure and fast;
                          Not the gods can shake the Past;
                          Flies-to the adamantine door
                          Bolted down forevermore.
                          None can re-enter there,—
                          No thief so politic,
                          No Satan with a royal trick
                          Steal in by window, chink, or hole,
                          To bind or unbind, add what lacked,
                          Insert a leaf, or forge a name,
                          New-face or finish what is packed,
                          Alter or mend eternal Fact.

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                            Dear Mr Lawrence, you are so witty
                            (and correct)

                            The English are so nice
                            D.H. Lawrence

                            The English are so nice
                            so awfully nice
                            they are the nicest people in the world.

                            And what's more, they're very nice about being nice
                            about your being nice as well!
                            If you're not nice they soon make you feel it.

                            Americans and French and Germans and so on
                            they're all very well
                            but they're not really nice, you know.
                            They're not nice in our sense of the word, are they now?

                            That's why one doesn't have to take them seriously.
                            We must be nice to them, of course,
                            of course, naturally.
                            But it doesn't really matter what you say to them,
                            they don't really understand
                            you can just say anything to them:
                            be nice, you know, just nice
                            but you must never take them seriously, they wouldn't understand,
                            just be nice, you know! Oh, fairly nice,
                            not too nice of course, they take advantage
                            but nice enough, just nice enough
                            to let them feel they're not quite as nice as they might be.

                            1932

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                              Don't Tell the World that You're Waiting for Me
                              by Eliza Cook

                              Three summers have gone since the first time we met, love,
                              And still 'tis in vain that I ask thee to wed ;
                              I hear no reply but a gentle ” Not yet, love,”
                              With a smile of your lip, and a shake of your head.
                              Ah ! how oft have I whispered, how oft have I sued thee,
                              And breathed my soul's question of ” When shall it be ?”
                              You know, dear, how long and how truly I've wooed thee,
                              So don't tell the world that you're waiting for me.

                              I have fashioned a home, where the fairies might dwell, love,
                              I've planted the myrtle, the rose, and the vine ;
                              But the cottage to me is a mere hermit's cell, love,
                              And the bloom will be dull till the flowers are thine.
                              I've a ring of bright gold, which I gaze on when lonely,
                              And sigh with Hope's eloquence, ” When will it be ?”
                              There needs but thy ” Yes,” love–one little word only,
                              So don't tell the world that you're waiting for me.

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                                The Hawthorn Tree
                                by Willa Cather

                                Across the shimmering meadows–
                                Ah, when he came to me!
                                In the spring-time,
                                In the night-time,
                                In the starlight,
                                Beneath the hawthorn tree.

                                Up from the misty marsh-land–
                                Ah, when he climbed to me!
                                To my white bower,
                                To my sweet rest,
                                To my warm breast,
                                Beneath the hawthorn tree.

                                Ask of me what the birds sang,
                                High in the hawthorn tree;
                                What the breeze tells,
                                What the rose smells,
                                What the stars shine–
                                Not what he said to me!

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                                  The Next Poem
                                  By Dana Gioia

                                  How much better it seems now
                                  than when it is finally done –
                                  the unforgettable first line,
                                  the cunning way the stanzas run.

                                  The rhymes soft-spoken and suggestive
                                  are barely audible at first,
                                  an appetite not yet acknowledged
                                  like the inkling of a thirst.

                                  While gradually the form appears
                                  as each line is coaxed aloud –
                                  the architecture of a room
                                  seen from the middle of a crowd.

                                  The music that of common speech
                                  but slanted so that each detail
                                  sounds unexpected as a sharp
                                  inserted in a simple scale.

                                  No jumble box of imagery
                                  dumped glumly in the reader's lap
                                  or elegantly packaged junk
                                  the unsuspecting must unwrap.

                                  But words that could direct a friend
                                  precisely to an unknown place,
                                  those few unshakeable details
                                  that no confusion can erase.

                                  And the real subject left unspoken
                                  but unmistakable to those
                                  who don't expect a jungle parrot
                                  in the black and white of prose.

                                  How much better it seems now
                                  than when it is finally written.
                                  How hungrily one waits to feel
                                  the bright lure seized, the old hook bitten.

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