Forum Etiquette 101

[TightFit74]

Over a period of several months, we have noticed new members flocking the forum. The influence of the forum is significantly growing and more and more members use it to vent their opinions, suggestions and ideas about the game and the relationships born here. This makes the forum alive and a lot of initiatives have been born. To mention a few: the story contest, the nspd rp that spans over more as just Achat and an active involvement in threads, development ideas the A-team pitched to us.

For a big part this is the doing of the members of this forum, that direct new members here, even advertise the forum in-game. There is a lot of passion for the forum and the game amongst the members, and that is something that contributes to the game, without any other suggestions. The potential for a wonderful, open community can be recognised in the ideas and suggestions posted, and the replies that are offered.

In the past few months however, a big change in the forum is noticed. The way it is used, how members behave themselves, how the forum is (not) moderated. Where in the past the forum was an open place for people to share their opinions, pose their questions and suggest ideas to the community and the development team, it has now turned into a heap of rubbish posts and mindless banter. Sometimes it seems, the forum is used as a general chat. But this is not the character of a forum. The chat is placed in the game or if not possible, please use the Off-Topic board for it

    When I joined the forum, I asked questions about a feature that was installed and then removed again without any sign or info. When I posed my question on forum, I was welcomed warmly and discovered that people were eager to engage in a discussion, in a very respectful way. In the first year I was there, hardly anything happened on forum that was worth moderating. There have been some incidents of course, but the forum had a self-moderating function. Members were not afraid to tap each other on the shoulder if a post gave motive.

    Besides the friendly atmosphere, members were eager to contribute their own idea and tried to build on a suggestion to form a well thought- out idea. There are plenty of examples for that and you’d be surprised how many of these suggestions have found a way into the game. I also feel people were more disciplined to stay on topic, less easily seduced to wander off in the playfulness the forum can sometimes evoke. The number of posts saying: “OK guys, back to topic”, are numerous.

    Though the warm welcome is still there on the forum and within the first replies to a member there is some help extended, the self-regulating mechanism has mostly gone. Mainly because of the overload of topics in some sections of the forum, it is hard to extend help, but all too often I see a form of disrespect towards the ideas of new, and older members.
The reasons? A few I can name off the top of my head. An overload of replies that have no connection to the topic posted. Where to start? Remarks to indicate a reply or post has a negative sound to it, are often seen as a personal attack instead of a hint to be nicer to each other. This overload of banter does make it hard for members to read about a topic posted. If 2 in 8 posts actually have something to do with the topic, the desire to read it all, quickly disappears.

    Where members before were actively contributing to topics, we often see one-line replies that say someone agrees or disagrees.. All wonderful but in all honesty, if the writer of the thread wanted only a yes or no, a poll would be sufficient. A forum is intended to share ideas, viewpoints, perspectives.

    But my main concern about the evolution of the forum, is a kind of disrespect I find all too often in posts. Up to a point where a thread made ridiculous because it had no point in the eyes of other members. It is fine to not be interested or see the thread as a mute point, the question being, if you have to share that. There is no obligation to reply to a post, but I see little restraint with members, as if there is a competition who will have most posts in the shortest time.

    Over the past 2-3 months, and maybe it has started even before that, the forum has turned into a heap of threads and topics that have been cluttered with off-topic replies, making it a Sisyphus-task to go through them all. The question is, how can we expect the development team to take us serious if we don’t take ourselves serious? When an idea is hidden between a repetition of off-topic posts you find in all threads nowadays, don’t expect the Dev-team to go digging for it.

    And with mentioning the development team, or better, AChat, they have a task in keeping the forum professional as well. The way it looks now, it seems like a jungle, where every new member is almost certain to get lost. In the last year or so, only a few new sections have been created (and fought for very hard), but within the sections there has been brought no order or categorizing. Most of them are a mish-mash of different subjects, some unique, some overlapping, too many ideas posted before but lost in the chaos in most parts of the forum.

    Besides keeping the forum clean and organized, there has been little direction in which direction AChat wants this forum to develop. As it is part of the website and the forum is moderated (to an extent), it is part of the professional ‘face’ of the organization. And it looks uncared for. I would expect from a professional organization to look a little further as only for posts and threads that threaten the commercial position of the game, and are flat out against rules and regulations impeded by authorities.

      For healthy growth of a forum, it should contain to-the-point threads and topics discussed with precision. The forum should be a guide to the developers and new members. It's important to note that new members to the forum and the developers should be able to easily read through a couple pages of a thread in a few minutes and feel confident about the direction of a discussion. Longer threads rarely attract the attention of new members or developers since the amount of reading is too time consuming to get caught up.

    It's important to have fun but it's also important to realize the responsibility we all have to keep the forum professional in appearance and in subject matter. And so with respect and courtesy, we should keep each other more strictly accountable with our posts to ensure the quality and life of the forum.

How a forum should function:
I. When creating a new thread    A. Verify that a duplicate thread of the same topic does not already exist.
    B. The title of the thread clearly summarizes the topic being discussed.
    C. It is created within the appropriate themed board.

II. When posting in a thread.
A.    Keep messages on topic. Off topic conversations should not exceed
        2 or 3 posts.
B.    The message should contribute to the growth of the topic's
        discussion.
C.    For discussions, suggestions, ideas, questions and opinions, make
        your point clear and support it with your reasons.
D.    If replying to a message directed towards you, or that does not
        relate to the core discussion of the topic, be respectful to the
        thread's author and to the progress of the current discussion.
        (Refer to “A.”)
E.      Posting images should be kept to a minimum.
      1. They slow downloading time between pages.
      2. An image is not necessary if words will suffice.
      3. if posting an image is necessary, adjust the height and
                          width too, keep it small, or provide a link.
F.    Utilize the “Modify” button to edit your post
        1. When you want to change/adjust/add to your statement.
        2. Reduces the amount of posts and repetition from the same
                          member.
                    3. Prevents double-posts.

The forum has been, since its start, always an open ‘playground’ for members, where we could do and want as we pleased, moderation hardly there, except for what was moderated by members. It has now become a cluttered mess, which is the cause of all parties. It is for us to decide what kind of forum. And it seems clear what we want. And so it is now becoming your choice, your decision. What kind of forum do you want to participate with, contribute to. As it is hopefully made clear, contributing, for the benefit of the game and all of it’s members, is what a forum is all about.

Tightfit74, Keiko, Lover, Janine Dee, Adera & Bear

[Keiko]

    Now lets all take a deep breath before we get emotional. This has been well thought out and developed by a group if people taking into account the best interests for the future of the forum. (Names of those within the council are marked in green at the bottom of the post.)

    No one is directly responsible. This affects everyone equally. Please voice your concerns or questions, we would be happy to address them logically.

[Lover]

Blue, if you talk talk to Tight in person, please know that he posted it, but he is not the one and only who wrote it.

Our intention is to discuss about the way the forum is going… and if this is the best way. We think, there is a better way if we want to get heared by the A-Team, if we want to stay a big family for all members and if we use this forum to help, to support each other and at least start discussion, which are good in respect of content.
That means, of course you may agree or disagree with some ideas, but you (and I don't mean you in person) cannot attack people, just because they don't share your opinions and beliefs.

Nobody said something towards your post, when you told new members there is an existing thread about it. I gladly have read it every time.

So I think it was a good idea to delete something of your post. Please calm down and reread it once more. I hope you find many truth in it and then we can start an honest, but friendly discussion.

Rukya, this applies to you, too. I just added same time as you and Keiko, so it's more written to blue.
Lover

[medjai]

Listen I know you meant good with that post but put your self in our shoes, yes our shoes coz I consider my self one of those that spoils thread sometimes and get carried away, seems more like a personal attack then an idea. Especially when you say you ( you all ) have some names in mind.

I'm sorry but those people that you want to bring to order are the same people that comments and discuss most of the idea piched in here, even if it is only a funny joke or comment, keeps the discussion alive and bring people to read it. Now if you wanna clean all the threads just say so I will delete all the spoils and stupid posts I made but think about this too: all the ideas piched never gets 1 comment from dev team and after a few commeting posts if we go off topic you can't really blame us for being playfull, I like everyone on here exactly the way they are and I don't want them to change. So if you want more order why don't you ask dev team to assign each one of you as moderator to a specific section, that way you can exercise your wish to keep order with a higher support.

Frankly latley every new idea that has been piched didn't get much attention or costructive comments so how are we supposed to keep on topic after an idea has been piched and not commented at all? If you want a single or few posts threads, no problem I won't write anything if I don't have something reallu usefull to say.

You want more order and clean threads, ok I don't disagree with that but find a solution or explain your wishes without pointing fingers like you did in your initial post here, cause it really looks like you pointed fingers to those who keep wrinting here every day, and I can write the name of each one of them but we already know who you're referring to.

Now to be clear I'm not offended but I felt personally attacked and so did blue and Rukya it seems, so next time you wanna comunicate something as a “council”, that's how you called your self, try taking in consideration the effect of your words on our feelings cause I can assure you that in the next few days you won't be seeing much activity here, not untill waters calm down.

[hentaiboy69]

ok, i had read it, think on it and agree whit most of the tings you had write. i know i have my part in this and i admit it.

I know how hard can be to make a forum work and mod it can be a pain if you try do it in the right way. under this point of view we are lucky, so this is why we usually tend to go off topic.
I can say this:

• it will be reaaaaally good to respect the subsection we have, so it will be easy to have the information you are looking at whitout so much off topic
• about pic, depend on the use you wanna do of them. yes, there are some pics really needless (my fault agian), but sometimes i use them for some fun or tease too (talking about the pics dedicated to Blue and NG).

[/list]
but….couse there is a but……..

some future poll are getting to long and no new idea are coming out from users and some suggested poses tend to start our fanttasy run and sometimes an answer, a joke is naturally (we are human and we can think, thanks God!). it's right try to limit it, but pretending i move my “jokke, fantasy or whatelse” to another tread (using the quote) can be frustrating and make other peoples loose the sense of it (i know, probably there is no meaning sometimes)
aaand, sometimes we tend to go off topic when a tread is getting a little long…..for me, sometimes is a way to make it a little light and to take a breath when the topic it's a bit to heavy, talking about subject and answer

It's okay to have some rules (everything need them!) but no one can say “i'm allways right, do as i wan!”. it's on all of us to try to stay in the right way.

after this, i think i don't have more to say, just this: be polite, ok, respect, ok, use the right section, ok, but don't pretend to cut off peoples liberty….just moderate it when needed

[Azrielle]

Overall, the “COUNCIL” has a Valid point. The forum needs to become a place where information being sought for, can become easily found… Am I right? Yes, I am guilty of spraying grafitti too… But it's meant in jest, and with little or no seriousness to it. Nuf Said.

How can the forum become better? well, why not have someone go through the seemingly botomless pitt of older posts, and archive what is either in need of being closed, or so sadly out of date that it really, really should be archived. Now keep in mind, that I said “ARCHIVE” not “TRASH”. That is a separate issue. Trash should just go in the bin and be done with it. Nuf Said.

ok. I have been on a good many forums in the past, and a number I was asked to leave, and a number of others I left of my own accord, and under my own speed. whether peeps wish to stay or to go, is up to them. No one is going to hold someone's hand and show them the door. Nor do I expect anyone to be running ahead to stop peeps from leaving either. We're all adults here, (or at least we all better be thnking like adults), so lets all spread around huggles and stop giving one another proverbial black eyes.

okie… my ranting is now done, I have returned to my inner peace once again and left my winchester in the rifle rack. Let's move on to providing a suggestion or two, or three on how to make the forum a wee bit better. (look above for mine, did I hide it well enough?)

MWAH!
AZRIELLE

[NewGurl]

This is the main reason I left the forum,  I cant post anything without someone getting pissed. I thought I had some good friends in the forum  and I still think I do, but for some reason they think they are the bosses here. I will remove every image i have ever put on here. stsrting right now.  I will not post anything unless it pertains to the topic, however I probably wont be on here again.   

[NewGurl]

Ok I hope Im “on topic”    I have removed all of my pics that do not relate to the “topic”  I also removed the banner and pic from my posts to clean it up for you.  I will continue to post on here if I have something meaningful to say. 

[Keiko]

I am truly disappointed by the emotionally aggressiveness and hostility towards us by a few of you. We are only suggesting rules that will help preserve the quality and future of the forum. You presume we want to ruin everyone's fun for our own selfish gain. I then ask you, what will we lose by establishing some basic rules? If you want the forum to stay the way it is, ungoverned by rules or regulations, how will it improve in the future? If you have a compelling argument, then I encourage you to bring it forward. We are concerned with the welfare of the forum. If you love the forum and want to see it be a guiding light to newcomers, then help us. We only want to see the forum be the best source of information and idea gathering as much as possible. I use the term “Council” loosely because some might assume we think of ourselves more superior than others and that is not true.

I'm sorry but those people that you want to bring to order are the same people that comments and discuss most of the idea piched in here, even if it is only a funny joke or comment, keeps the discussion alive and bring people to read it.

We appriciate the comments and ideas that everyone brings to the forum. And an occasional joke/funny comment in light of the subject is fine. It's not a terrible thing for a thread to go quiet after it has been exhausted of discussion points because in the future, a new update, a curious new member, or some other idea may bring it back to life exactly where the discussion was left off. But if the underlying topic gets lost within 5 or 6+ pages of “daily mischief” then the core message is lost and most members who have opinions on that topic tend to simply create a new thread because the old one has gotten too long and difficult to read.

all the ideas piched never gets 1 comment from dev team and after a few commeting posts if we go off topic you can't really blame us for being playfull,

We think the forum is a great place to have fun and share experiences with fellow members and there are specific places set aside for that reason. However there are important topics that require a bit more discretion and professionalism. The dev team is more likely going to read a topic that is discussing the possibility of an idea seriously than  multiple pages of teasing and personal playfulness.

So if you want more order why don't you ask dev team to assign each one of you as moderator to a specific section, that way you can exercise your wish to keep order with a higher support.

I personally have many ideas to help improve the functionality of the forum which I plan to share in the future. We are all passionate about the forum. Proof is in how long we've been members and been devoted to posting in the forum. We wouldn't make these kinds of suggestions if we knew it was going to hurt the growth of the forum.

Frankly latley every new idea that has been piched didn't get much attention or costructive comments so how are we supposed to keep on topic after an idea has been piched and not commented at all?

A high percentage of new threads created by new members have been duplicates of suggestions and ideas made before, and fairly recently too, within a few months. Instead of wasting time repeating the same discussion that was in the previous thread, it's been helpful to direct them to bump or read the older thread. Again, it's not necessary to feel obligated to keep a thread alive if it has served it's purpose for the time being. Focus your attention on threads that could use more input and ideas.

find a solution or explain your wishes without pointing fingers like you did in your initial post here, cause it really looks like you pointed fingers to those who keep wrinting here every day.

The solution is following some simple guidelines to help improve the forum. If you have a better solution, I would love to hear what you suggest. As I said before, we've all been guilty of being extra playful, some more than others but no one is being singled out.

about pic, depend on the use you wanna do of them. yes, there are some pics really needless (my fault agian), but sometimes i use them for some fun or tease too (talking about the pics dedicated to Blue and NG).

A moderate/minimal use of pictures can still be helpful in the right situations. They just require a bit more attention so it doesn't stall the loading time of the page or the length of the page. Adjusting the size or providing a link if the picture is directed to an individual would be helpful. That way, for those who aren't interested in the picture, they can skip over it easily.

some future poll are getting to long and no new idea are coming out from users and some suggested poses tend to start our fanttasy run and sometimes an answer, a joke is naturally

It's fine to make the occasional joke but sometimes that joke then leads to another joke, which leads to yet another joke. Pretty soon, we have 2 full pages of joking before someone tries to discuss the topic again. If we make a playful joke or comment, we need to try and not give into the temptation to let it snowball out of control.

It's okay to have some rules (everything need them!) but no one can say “i'm allways right, do as i wan!”. it's on all of us to try to stay in the right way. be polite, ok, respect, ok, use the right section, ok, but don't pretend to cut off peoples liberty….just moderate it when needed

We don't want to make members afraid to post for fear that they might break a rule or make someone upset. We just want to keep the forum respectable. The rules we suggested should be adequate enough to give members the freedom to express themselves about a topic in any way they want while still being respectful to the forum.

when hentai , medjai and me was little out of topic in the 3some poses one , what happened ? Someone was agressive with big red words , and after this , Medjai have proposed a 3some pose based on our off topic discution . This mean that be off topic can be good.

An off-topic discussion shouldn't require a JOLT like a defibrillator to bring it back on topic. It would be easier to inspire more ideas when you are able to clearly read the preceding ideas.

How can the forum become better? well, why not have someone go through the seemingly botomless pitt of older posts, and archive what is either in need of being closed, or so sadly out of date that it really, really should be archived.

I agree, old threads with voluble discussions should be preserved because there is always a possibility someone may feel compelled to go back and bring it back to life with new, fresh ideas.

ok. I have been on a good many forums in the past, and We're all adults here, (or at least we all better be thnking like adults), so lets all spread around huggles and stop giving one another proverbial black eyes.

I have been an active member of many forums myself. This is the most relaxed forum I've been apart of so far. There have been a few where new members were required to post 20 times before having authorization to create a new thread. I think we should be proud to have members who would gladly volunteer their time and effort to try and suggest positive ways trying to improve the experiences of their fellow members on the forum. And I am all for spreading around the huggles

I presume the rest of the council would agree with me but they have voices of their own and I expect they will express their own opinions. To those of you who responded in a rational and civilized way, I thank-you. Please understand that we only want to help. The truth might seem harsh but if you can view our stance from a logical standpoint, you should hopefully understand we had no other alternative but to approach the situation this way.

[Zinah]

Wow.  Just … Wow. 

I don't understand why some of the replies suggest the respondent has been named or is being attacked.  The initial post is fairly politic, and in my opinion, offered reasonable suggestions for how to treat the forums in future. 

All one needs do is look at the posts about clothing, or poses that turn into one-line flirt fests to see that things get out of hand easily.  I'm guilty as well.  On more than one occasion I've wished that the threads could be cleaned up to the pertinent posts.  Yes, that would mean dropping my flirts and cutesie responses, but when I go back looking for information, wading through the bloat of banter and teasing is tiresome.

I do understand that the forums should also have room for playful banter and I think a place for such would assist in keeping threads on topic.   Keeping the play and teasing in an OT thread, designed for that very thing; an anything goes page, so to speak, would be a good idea.  I suggest we call that thread “Entice Me”  and we treat it as the VR equivalent of a local pub.  In this thread you may: tease, flirt, dork around, tell jokes, gossip, hell talk about clothes or sports …. if you must.    Only thing you can't do is a scene, we have rooms or the erotica board for that.

Ok, seriously, last edit.   :

[NewGurl]

I realize that things get off topic quickly and that the “council” had some good points. What has made us mad is that it was put in this post like we are a bunch of unruly schoolchildren that have to be punished by the head master.  I think I can say that if we were addresed as equals and not looked down on no feelings would have gotten hurt. But the “either my way or its wrong” approach has alienated some users. I wont say who, but I was approached by a user and  was told that they wouldnt be on either in achat or the forum for a long while. So you get what you want, you can have the stale forum back. Im sorry if my comments offend, I feel that this is a personal attack on some of us.  As far as the posts of ideas that have been suggested before. How are we as the new members spposed to know that, Go back and read all the posts?

It just seems like no one is happy, you want poses and items, and when you get them you bitch about them saying they could do better.  I say the dev team has done a hell of a job givng us what we ask for and should be commended instead of ridiculed. You asked for a busy button, you got it, altho I dont use it cause i have friends that have lost their memberships and I still want to talk to them. The slider for speed is a great improvement, I use it everyday.

I guess I can speak for some of those not in the “council” when I say, we have had our feelings hurt. You are no better than us, we brought fresh ideas here, but now cause we had some fun we are riduculed. I hope that tensions will ease over time, but there needs to be some of the better than us mentality dropped out of the wording. I have no doubt that the members of the council have the best intentions, but, and I will only speak for me, your wording was piss poor.           

And yes I will sign this     Bonnie Butler  (NewGurl)

[Jacquesza]

At first I almost didn't read the post, I mean “Forum Etiquette 101” thought it was going to be a simple break down of just that …. forum etiquette. 

Over the last four months, give or take I have met some really nice and interesting people here. And one of the things I love about Achat, and the forums is the overall relaxed and friendly nature of things.

What the “council” is trying to say makes sense up to a point, it is important to maintain some sort of “order” and layout on the forums. But that being said the way and in which the message was carried across was down right self righteous and leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

It is one thing to have the community and forums best interests at heart, but seriously think before you jump on your high horse next time. The same message, with better word consideration ( hell even leaving out some comments ) could have worked a lot better … without alienating people.

I am relatively new here, but felt like I had to voice my opinion on this ….

Jacques.

[Adera]

I know I'm not flawless, I flirt around a lot here, but there is a time and place for it. Some personal banter is inevitable and welcomed (by me ), but when the banter takes over a thread where discussion about something is expected and especially a sticky made by AChat themselves I think it's gone too far.

Imo DemonXXX outburst in the Enter THREESOME pose idea to be developed thread is completely justified, he asked a question regarding the topic but that question was completely ignored in favor for another page of personal banter.

Is that how we want things to be in a thread that is relatively important to AChat? Does someone have to scream out loud to get things back on track?

What happened in that thread made me want to sign this, I think it was very rude to completely ignore his on-topic question and just continue flooding the thread. If someone might've had something to say to his question that person would very likely have missed his question completely.

I also think it's rude to question the reason and validity of a topic and the author of it after it has created an interesting discussions between users here at the forum. If your genuinely curious then go read the first page of the thread, the first post usually tells you who, what and why.

[hentaiboy69]

ok, Adera, i had allways try to be polite, calm, not aggressive in my life and i tend to do it here too. i have no problem to admit my fault and i don't have problem to stay on topic from now on, but i wan to tell you a thing about DemonXXX request about the threesome poll: yes, i would answer him at the begin, but then i think “hey, i'm not in the dev-team, so what can i say!? just “dunno, ask Susy” and, all will be honest, no one of us users have the answer he is looking at, only Susy or Tom have. so wich type of answer we can give him!? a big “BHO!”, that's all! i prefer to don't write when i can't help someone.

so, ok, he is right about all that off topic, but he can do it in a different way, whitout using big red letters, a clear sign of speeking loud in internet language. he had caught the attention, but in the wrong way and of the wrong peoples!

after this, my friends, i can say a last thing:  Rukya, NG, Blue…….please, don't leave the forum and stop deleting message and pic, what was done, was done, from now on we all (the council too) hav to work togheter for create a better forum, whit a serious area for discussion about achat, new stuff, comment the esisting stuff and another where we are more free to joke, tease and whatelse. dunno if dev-team had stop to answer or don't had make the new poll start cause there are so much off-topic on those tread (don't think so!), but i'm sure we had make things a little difficult to follow, so it's on us to change our abits a little to give to all of us the chance of make hear our voice to others users and to dev-team.

[Lover]

There have been several tries from several members (not just the one who published this post) to keep some threads clean, to give hints to use another (meaning a more suitable) thread and also postings, to get a topic back to the content.
What has happened? Our hints have been ignored very often, the person was offenden in a harsh way or he/she was (with or withoutz intention) missunderstood.
So your asks, don't publish this post, a hint is enough – is not enough, cause we tried it. And we tried it more then once.

Now look at some reactions: “Ok, then I leave” “Ok, I delete all messages”… None of us said, go away, delete your posts/pics…
At least it's your decision. And you know, this is the same answer we would have got if we say it in person.
Most answers are just about “you are not better” including the off-topic part of the post.
Yes, I alsol go off-topic sometimes, I alsol like to laugh and to flirt… this is an adult chat and of course you can't (and don't wannt) to stop it here completely. But this forum is not an alternate to a generl chat, nobody should forget that.

Please read everything. Just few answer to the part, the forum is getting more and more unfriendly. Perhaps you don't notice it, perhaps you don't feel to be meant, perhaps you disagree. It's all ok.

What about the question… let's discuss about the way we all want to have this forum?
Almost no answer.

It's so easy top put something out of the whole content and jump to it, saying “you are not better”, “its not your forum”, “you are the police”
I just answer for myself: No, its not my forum and I welcome every new member. If you read my posts, you wil know that. I love this forum, I love to read agress and also disagrees to my ideas and I never made the impress, that my voice is better or more worth then any other one. And yes, I try to keep a special way for this forum – even because I love it and I want to keep it growing. At least, I'm sure, every member he is wishing this. This is the reason, we have to keep it cleaner – new members will vanish at once, if they dont find the answers to their question, if they feel, they are mavericks, cause all other member seems to know themselves very well and just laugh together.

Is someone really a friend, just because he is flirting? And another one is not a friend, because he says “please get back to topic”?
It is said, some leave this forum and even Achat because of this letter. Ok. Is there just one good reason to leave something you love, just because some other people say “please be friendly, keep the topics with important content clean and think of all members”?

Can you imagine, lots of members left the forum, because they said “too much off-topic, too much senseless talks, too much flirting between some members”?

If you are reading/posting here everyday, as many of us (you and i) do, it's rather easy to follow. But there are many members, that don't have time for it – they come here from time to time, searching for new ideas, looking for help… they try to read maybe 3,4 or 5 threads and leave, cause they know what's going on.

We have an off-topic area, we have erotic fantasy area… why do we need to do this also in the important theads?

We don't want to stop the forum. We want to see it growing, we also want this forum to be open and friendly for everyone, no matter if he(she has same opinion as I have. This is the most important fact of the post. Not more, but nothing less.

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