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  • #15795
    angel81
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      Very good idea Janine to post this thread. Sadly not enough people read the quick start guide. Hopefully guiding them to this thread will help. BUT i see 1 small issue with it. A major part of people not understanding and/or reading such info like forums or even profiles in game is the “language barrier”  Unless these notes and profiles were readable in the 10 basic world languages there will always be some people slipping threw the gaps. But a better education to new people is needed. I have helped at times people that have had questions. Im glad i can send them to a post they can read to save me guiding them.

      #15796
      Janine Dee
      Participant

        The language barrier is obviously as issue, but one I have no idea how to circumvent, but that does give another idea.

        #4. Keep in mind the language barrier.
        If you are a native speaker of English that doesn't mean they are, and if you aren't a native English speaker you aren't obligated to be. Hopefully you can work out some means of communication, but if not that's nobodies fault.

        #15797
        Lover
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          Very good idea, Janine!
          The only thing, this topic would be better in support – titled just “Quick-start guide”

          In some weeks this topic will be on page 2,3 or 4… And no newbie will find. Maybe Tom or Rab can change this?
          To the language problem – maybe we find some people for the main languages? As an example, I could write this in German. We have good French people here, English and I also think Russian. So, if the A-Team accept, everyone who wanna help us can write here?

          Lover

          #15798
          Janine Dee
          Participant

            That's a good point Lover. Can we move it or does the development team have to?

            As far as languages… I would love to see everything we come up with translated. There could be a multitude of threads. “Quick Start (English)” “Quick Started (German)” “Quick Start (French)”

            This way we can take an active hand in making a better AChat.

            #15799
            Lover
            Participant

              Hi Janine,
              I think we have 2 possibilities. The A-Team can move (we can't) or we start this topic new in the support-area. Maybe this is the better way, we can start completely new, without our answers. Similar to the roleplay-topic. One explaination and then the pure guide?

              #15800
              angel81
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                Thats a great idea Janine…  Maybe if there are some people that are common languages that could assist someone in translating the guide into a few basic languages and have them posted in a certain area as you speak of we can reach more people here… NOW the hard part is to get these people to use and read forums. Seems to be a small handful of the same people accessing here. Would be nice to see more people accessing forums.

                #15801
                Janine Dee
                Participant

                  Well Angel sweetie the idea would be that we could direct them to it, have them read it, and then go from there.

                  For Lover, I would say that we could keep this here while we hammer out all the ideas, find translators, etc and THEN post the finished version (s).

                  #15802
                  Lover
                  Participant

                    To all:
                    Lets find a way to get help from people in other languages; maybe a question in our description?

                    To lead newbies to this topic: Is it possible to make a tip for the first 5 logins? A sentence like “Please fisit this forum/link first”
                    Hello A-Team, is this possible? Please answer

                    Yes, Janine, lets collect first and then write “clean”.

                    Lover

                    #15803
                    Janine Dee
                    Participant

                      At this point I'm working from the idea that when someone tells us they are new we as veteran users can simply say “Have you read the User Made Quick Start yet?” Maybe explain what it is, but basically point them here so they can know how not to make an ass of themselves.

                      If the development team wants to put it to greater use that would be wonderful, but my plan was to go ahead with it on our end, and let them decide what part they may wish to play later.

                      #15804
                      Lover
                      Participant

                        Hi Janine,

                        to your first point: I would say it “stronger”:
                        “Don't do cold invites! This means do not invite people to room before talking to them. Most user don't like this and will not react. And a lot user will put you onto their ignore list.” Then followed by your testify.

                        #5. You don't have any idea? Just take a look around and read other avatars. And you may ask other people; most are friendly and will help you.

                        #15805
                        Janine Dee
                        Participant

                          I agree with #5 entirely.

                          On toughening up #1's language, they probably wouldn't know the term cold invite… but we could use something like after “AND getting their permission first.”

                          “Otherwise it's called a “Cold Invite” and is considered VERY rude. At best they won't react, but many will put you on their ignore list.”

                          We'll definitely want to clean up #1 for the final draft.

                          #6. If at first you don't succeed reconsider trying.
                          While this doesn't mean give up, if a person declines an invite you should talk to them first before firing off a second (or third, or fourth) invite. Now this doesn't mean they don't want to talk to you. It could simply mean that they are either busy, or even away from the computer, and all you are doing is giving them reason to not want to talk to/room with you.

                          Be patient, give them time to reply, it increases your odds of actually getting a response.

                          #15806
                          Lover
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                            Yes, I thought about the term “cold invite”. I hoped, my statement would explain it. Of course, we will check everything before finish it.

                            #6 we have to talk about. If you read “don't give up if a person declines” and “talk to… BEFORE firing off a second…” they can understand the first cold invite is ok. Sure, point 1 says “Don't do” but they read this some minutes ago… (This doesn't mean they are silly; but most simply forget)

                            Maybe change to “If you don't get an answer after starting to talk (or… after chatting) wait a little. Now this doesn't mean they don't want to talk to you. It could simply mean that they are either busy, or even away from the computer, and all you are doing is giving them reason to not want to talk to/room with you.
                            Be patient, give them time to reply, it increases your odds of actually getting a response.”

                            #7. Be yourself. The best way to have real fun is to be as natural as possible. Of course this might be a way to check fantasies you never would do in real the best way to find nice people is ebing natural.

                            #15807
                            Janine Dee
                            Participant

                              You are right Lover. This is a quick start guide and it's better to assuming nothing, repeat as much as needed (like no cold invites what so ever) then assume they would remember.

                              #15808
                              Sandra92
                              Participant

                                hi my friends … Its really a good idea

                                as an addition to no. 7 …. treat people as you want to be treated … dont harm people … you will both enjoy.

                                #15809
                                himmi
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                                  hi  ;)

                                  great work … i could translate this into german if you release a final version of this guide

                                  regards himmi

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