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[Janine Dee]

I dunno, there are lesbian adult dvd's that include “toy-free” in their descriptions.

So I think it's similar, but either the development team thinks, or thinks that the users think that for there to be sexual pleasure a penis shaped object HAS to be involved.

[Janine Dee]

That's another long held hope for everyone here I think. 

[Janine Dee]

The biggest continuing complaint about the shop is that you have to buy to try. I know I have just under half a dozen things that I laid money out for that I will never use because once I saw them full size I didn't want to.

As far as less skimpy outfits… let's hope the development team get's the hint because that seems to be the biggest request for both female and male outfits.

At least here on the forum we actually want a little mystery.

Personally I want a leather or PVC catsuit.

[Janine Dee]

The problem there Christina dear is that I do check profiles, and unless I have an outside reason to talk to a hetero woman I don't. Because while there are overly aggressive women (yes who may be men) I too am a woman and when a profile says hetero it's telling me to not even try, and I can't imagine I'm the only one who does that.

[Janine Dee]

I still remember when through a chain of people I was told one woman on my lovers list was a man.

The problem was that one of those who were proclaiming it had already earned his name on my ignore list as a guy who couldn't take gay for an answer. Since the “woman” in question was already WAY too aggressive I wasn't too terribly attached (and yeah that could be called a sign) and I just decided to avoid the whole mess.

The guy in question, who was on my ignore list, then got posted here by a woman I actually am still quite fond of (even though we haven't talked in months) because he had pulled a SERIOUSLY twisted mind fuck on her with another party.

I can feel comfortable about my decisions to this day, but it honestly felt like I was using a skill set I developed in high school.

The greater truth though is that ANY time you get groups of people together similar dynamics develop, and while you hope people will be able to act like adults it always seems to be a matter of how disappointed you send up rather then whether or not.

I've found all I can do is try to hold myself to a high standard. So I fight to avoid names unless referring to say a specific point or post here on the forum.

[Janine Dee]

I have had many, many, MANY guys who haven't been willing to take gay for an answer.

I have also had many, many women who don't quite get that I may just be logging on to check messages, character edit, or simply find a partner who can actually converse.

While it's possible they were men I prefer to think it's a matter of equality… that women can be just as obnoxious as men. 

[Janine Dee]

So I’ll take that to mean you now want to try out the pose?

;D

[Janine Dee]

I have to agree with Bear (especially on the FF

;)) it seems to be running counter to the AChat framework. Not to mention the hardware would probably need some significant upgrades, which would be spendy.

[Janine Dee]

Or you could just find a woman who already has it… and that’s not subtle enough to even be called a hint.

;D

[Janine Dee]

I absolutely get your meaning. As far as online verses in person there ARE obvious differences, both in the practical (things like safe calls and meeting in public places), as well as the implementation (talking/typing someone through a fantasy scene is FAR easier then making it happen in person).

The one thing I would say as you start that journey is to be careful not to believe the hype.

Dominants are still people. Many submissives expect us to somehow be perfect people, to know exactly what they want, when they want it, and to always be ready to fulfill it for them. You will have times you have no idea what it is they are after, and are not obligated to read their minds to find it. You will have times that you may know damn well what they want, but are just not in the mood to give it.

I would just suggest that you make sure to remember that the Dominant gives just as much. Perhaps not in as obvious of ways, but I know it was one of the more important lessons I learned, and I learned it the hard way.

But when all else fails you can always come on here, for those who know, or can simply listen.

[Janine Dee]

Yeah, yeah, seen and done, with Robot Girl because I don't have the time for a proper play session, but yeah I am smiling.

BUT there is a big point I wanted to make, but I thought I would make it here as this is a wide ranging FF pose thread, and the point I think covers a wide FF range.

I've made jokes about how the Development Team is very attached to cocks and cock-shaped objects.

Being entirely serious though I need to say with absolute clarity the one common thing I've heard from those women I've been with is they want MORE toyless poses.

I have toys, I love my toys, but I do not need them, and even when I use them they are an accessory.

The new Scissors pose was good, and bordering on great, but would have been truly magnificent if the toys had been taken out and more physical contact between the women had been put in.

Again, I am speaking with the utmost sincerity here. In my experiences, both here and otherwise, the phallic objects are additions, not requirements.

So, I thank you with just as much sincerity, and simply ask that when you are putting together the next FF you remember that both Bi and Gay women aren't to worried about cocks in their girlsex… it's sorta the point. 

[Janine Dee]

It's good. It's very good, and a wonderful piece of work.

That said the dildos are pointless and should have been left out for more touching or other grinding rhythms.

As it stands how you can rub your breasts with your hand, or with the dildo.

The girl in the correct position can rub her clit.

You can suck the dildo, or offer it to your partner to suck. (Apparently they still are having trouble with the idea that sucking on silicone carries no inherent pleasure.)

You can rub your partners leg or lean back.

Otherwise it's the enjoy where you can flail around a bit, or pleasure faces.

I am happy, I dare say very happy. I take this as a sign that the Development Team isn't holding a grudge against girl love.

[Janine Dee]

It's hard to. That's why I used the word “feel”.

[Janine Dee]

Bound can certainly be fun, but I thought I remember seeing things like kicks and those feel degrading to me. Some absolutely LOVE degradation and that's wonderful for them, but I see submission as a gift, I mentally CAN'T degrade.

But honestly the biggest problem is that I can't get a feel for it as it's MF. Not only can I not know what it would be like we have no idea of what they will do with it to make it FF.

Even I don't want to complain in advance.

[Janine Dee]

I'd be willing to bet you are right, but I've never been big into showing Dominance like Obedience seems geared towards. I am very happy they are keeping with the BDSM developments, but nothing's calling to me with Obedience.

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